this guy doesn't understand that kills and assists are counted differently and that duelists are the one supposed to get kills. They honestly think that without the super team around chron he would be shit but can't reverse the argument in their brain that maybe fnatic without him and other on the team wouldn't look like a "superteam" chron is the best most consistent flex in the world. and aspas is the best duelist in the world. But looking just at rating is restarted knowing that kills count more to the rating than assists not to mention baiting or swinging first for ur duelist and dropping ur guns giving up orbs XD. Just braindead ppl on vlr who clearly never been in a competetive professional environment anywhere in their life

U didnt understand what i meant by the FACT that clearly greatest of all time is a figure of speech and there are many goats thru the years. U claimed there is only one. Sure if u say the goat of idk 2010-2020 we can pinpoint one, doesn't change the fact that there are other goats that had their peaks

Well then does that mean that greates of all time isnt actually of all time? Cause if u compare aspas stats from all his time in tier 1 he isn't the best. U had nba players and football players that broken record that never been broken yet why arent they the greatest ooohh maybe because it wasn't consistent just like aspas the recency bias is strong. Not to mention that assist aren't counted equally into overall rating and acs so no wonder every tournament the are mostly duelists on top

Sure compare their teammates, Like loud wasnt a superteam and lev wasnt supposed to be one aswell lol. And since u want to compare that let's compare ur stats in franchising farming NA with 2/3 teams being competetive every year

Greatest of all time is just a saying if that would be the case the first to be considered the greatest would forever stay the greatest, now did they?

i would only change benjy and maybe miniboo, boo's calling is pretty good strats wise heretics is great they just lack firepower and consistency which is the biggest problem of miniboo and benjy

Kills are the flashiest so ppl salivate over flashy plays although aspas deserves to be one of the goats i dont think there needs to be only one goat like we have for example nba magic lebron kobe jordan or like messi and ronaldo so far chron and aspas both are one of the bests at their roles.

so far, but the others are also more out of meta than ever regardless im talking about his past

you are stupid tho they are pro players u cant have 5 duelist on the team u wont win.
someone is supposed to get kills and someone is supposed to set up the kills simple.
It's the same for f.e football everyone thinks the goats of football are the strikers cause they get goals but every one of these goats thanks their teammates for setting them up
flashy plays always garner more fans.
Each players does what they do best and chron is best at doing what needs to be done to win aspas is best at killing. Both are great players but your argument is like put an f1 racer in a rally race and or the other way around and expect them to perform just as good. Zidane Pirlo Zanetti Kevin de bruyne and many others they were not the best goal scorers (like aspas best killer) yet they are considered one of the greatest players because of their other abilities and ability to win thropies.

I think both players are valid for different reasons in the goat debate. And i wouldn't mind to call both of them so far the goats like ronaldo and messi

Sure aspas ceiling is higher than chron but still this guy plays like 5-6 agents per torunament and still ends top 5-15 stats wise at the end of almost every international not to mention that teams play to setup aspas ofc because he is good but when u get dropped guns gifted orbs swinged for first droned for and flashed for with an agent that is meant to kill dashes stuns flashes tp's you will be fragging. Aspas is mechanically gifted but i still think there's a fundamental difference in knowing how to get kills and knowing what to do to secure a round and playing multiple agents on the highest level

Bro is also comparing chronicle playing 5 different agents and having pretty good adr/fk/fd stats bro is baiting chronicles is always in the top 5-10 on almost every international while playing the most amount of agents

lmao

Sadly too much int from th losing so many 5vs3 4vs3/2's maybe if they didnt int ascent;/

brother they hit B like 5 times thru tunnel and sova wont ult it ever

ridiculous

For some reason drx is saving their ults forever XD they have yoru sova ult for past 5 rounds

propably no one ever said that lmao

they are going first for him they drone for him and he is a jett u see similar fk/d stats on jett many times tho sunset was a diff story

comeback overrated. minny? this guy is T2 level

too late:D

Sadly They inted ascent could had been a 2-0

valorant a big momentum game especially when u lose every round possibly 5vs3 4vs2 all the time

They threw so many rounds they dont deserve it anyway

idk heretics has smart plays but then just do the most braindead stuff

bruh he even missed that ult he hugged the guy in smoke an didnt even click the ult

bro missed ult while hugging the enemy XD

suygetsu/shao better smokers but if u want senti then also suygetsu/westside i doubt heretics can afford a whole roster overhaul so keep the boo's just -benjy too inconsistent

imo - benjy + westside i doubt they can afford a top tier duelist and boo is not a bad igl

well its also thanks to the fact that benjy and boo aint shootin shit

boo and benjy holding a spot and losing 1vs2 XD

yeah but boo and benjy lost it 1vs2 while also expecting it bruh so bad

True a lot of hero/lucky rounds tho they do also have some nice calls some rounds

I mean they finally learned just keep woot off of smokes make benjy play cypher/deadlock/vyse nothing else

Yeah they are cooked out the wazoo the glazing is insane regional merchants and fluke toronto

Funny how i said prx gets clapped and suddenly everyone will say wereee they were looking shaky and stuff ofc they lose now but before everyone said they are winning champs bruh they struggled in the easiest group possible

And he was top 5 in most of internationals while playing flex agents and when it mattered he would pop off having like 50-60 kills in a series many many times i think he should be in the goat debate not saying he is the undisputed goat but its disingenuine saying he's getting carried when he's the one setting up teammates and still fraggin meanwhile aspas is a duelist his agents kit's are meant to kill and the whole team is setting him up giving up guns org positions swining first for him to bait aspas is a great player and also in the goat debate but judging by the fact that he is a team player that is flexing agents and doing consistently 50+ kills +all the thropies and so many 2nd places is nothing to scoff at

idk about that imagine u go unprepared to play the torunament favorite and u play badly ppl would flame the fck out of him might even be the end of his career but wp for him and his balls

How did they not win it at 12-9 4vs2 viper ult is the question

and benjy on cypher/deadlock/vyse

lmao u didnt see brawk on lotus or haven vs gx if that was the grossest

def not easier than mibr had it. judging by results this match was bound to be close with anyone to take and nrg was better as a team at the end of the day

It was a great game from him sure but gotta count that they had 12 additional rounds and he broke it by 4 kills and has less adr then the previous record holder

if aspas doesn't perform like today def winnable for drx

"easiest first game match-up" bud they had to defead previous champs edg and in form drx that were innovating on waylay comps meanwhile mibr had to play bilibili and rrq

Sure and verno alt+f4's so that nrg loses momentum that's karma somehow it happens so often to mibr they get eco'd or lose a round they shouldnt had and they get a tech pasue right after

yeah but that's also dying to spike, rounds taken from ass etc like defusing in smoke without killing them when they die to spike sure mibr get's -1 but nrg doesnt get the +1

ofc heretics help'd that but i dont think it ever happnd in tier 1 to 3 round in a row collat

Funny how when i said odin is too strong ppl downvoted me but now that aspas's team lost to it suddenly its a dogshit as in op weapon

They got sova scanned verno was also playing odin what is that argument brawk and nrg are just better at using odin to their adv regardless they had that round and threw it away no matter how u look at it