You speak as if this was a good thing
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| Registered: | December 21, 2022 |
| Last post: | May 26, 2026 at 1:56 AM |
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You speak as if this was a good thing
Recruiting 5 Korean just to win and betraying your country/region is a looser mentality, thats why I have a lot of respect for KC cause they really try to develop talent in LoL
Yeah lets loose cultural identityt to just have all the team that feel the same and represent nothing.
"Every match should carry weight"
Goodbye group stage !
https://x.com/ValorantEsports/status/2041546550497689914?s=20
OMG OMG OMG did I really predict that ?! It's really happening ?!
I did ask for the quadruple elim for so many tiiiiiiiimes !
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Kwga24ag8mo
https://www.vlr.gg/648401/shall-we-end-group-stage/#15
(No it's won't but it's funny they did mention it and my hope raises)
7 months more there no new server, (Well Riyad doesnt count it was kinda... Temporary)
Based on the geopolitical change, who is the frontrunner today ?
How many server did you played ?
Hearing everyone, their server is always the worst, but I do think not a lot of people play in another region to test
This sint valorant analysis =.=
Amazing video from Fly Quest talking about Tier 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAWzqKeptKM
It's go totally in the direction of my last video saying that we need a path to champions AND a path to master.
I agree, otherwise they could be in danger, since they dropped the LoL team and they are a lot of contenders to steal their spot and showed they where more reliable financially (SR, G2, FQ, Lyon)
they are literally an american org
And they have a huge fanbase in Oceania thanks to cs, they have enough tie to the region to be the face of Oceania in val (This gonna chock you, but in LoL TL is one of the main face in NA)
they have exactly one person in T1 and that is Autumn.
Swerl ? pl1xx ? Minimise ? Take a roster with Swerl and Autumn, take 2 young player, (For the last spot probably pl1xx to add experience) and you might have a decent team
Not every country is built to have a sustainable esports ecosystem.
I never said that. I said every scrimpool need one T1 team. Replacing Zeta by Fly Quest Oceania will not make Riot Banckrupt.
there is absolutely zero evidence to support the claim that VN can field 5 players to fill a tier 1 ready roster. zero.
You forget the diaspora
Shit, they probably don't even have an org capable of staying economically relevant enough to be in tier 1
We are talking about a Riot based game, they have at least 2 structure they trust.
Individual SEA countries simply do not have the esports infrastructure down to a fundamental level with a high interest in mobile gaming over PC gaming.
VN is the only SEA country among the big 4 (TH, ID, PH, VN) to not have one...
it absolutely is. OCE has no orgs
Fly Quest
OCE has barely any players
They have, they even have good T1 player
OCE lacks a dedicated player ecosystem
Because no T1 team (And a bad TO)
shit they don't even have geographical closeness to any other region.
THATS EXACTLY MY POINT, they cant scrim against other team sso their best player doent have outlet and have no way to improve. Everys crimpool (Based on "geographical closeness") need a T1 team to give outlet to their player, if not the playerbase will die.
If Riot say "YOu wont have an NA slot because all of them are already taken but you can have OCE", we might have an agreement
but does OCE's orgs have the budget to facilitate riot's demand
Fly quest Oceania have.
Not sure anyone else can, sadfully
Thats why i'm saying it's a vicous circle, they are no player at immo+ cause they are no outlet, they are no outlet cause no T1 team, no T1 team cause no player immo+ and it go in circle (And to be frank you can have an OCE superteam that would be T1 worth)
Literally, what I said is based by data, and marketing goal.
So far depending how you count they are only 1 scrimpool that isnt represented : OCE (SA have GE even if they are trolling, LAN may be considered the same scrimpool than NA, and... Cape doesnt count yet). Giving a team to OCE isn't unrealistic or "child wishes for world peace",
India has GE, LAN will probably have Lyon in 2027, and Africa will receive something when the continent becomes stronger economically even if 2027 is definitely too early for them (Hard to beat Africa when you spoke about "growth potential")
Yes in short term, no in long term.
Sure having more team will mecanically make the level down, but giving outlet to some new region will breing more fan and increase the level of region in the long term. For exemple thats how rugby did get developed in Japan, give them spot before they become good, until they become good.
It's in the interest of the game to become a world game where everyone is represented, so it's the interest of the game to give outlets to everyone
My 2nd point is that I think VN have enough good player to fill a 5 team roster that is worth T1, the fact they are import doesnt help the region to grow, they are a decent darkhorse in EWC qualifier
OCE have no T1 team
--> They are no outlet for OCE player.
--> Player stop play.
--> The player base is dying
This is a vicious circle that need to be broken.
I will be blunt on that take : Every scrimpool need a Tier 1 team, if you dont, the playerpool of this scrimpool will die.
Yes even the worst scrimpool that ever existed (Cape Town) need a T1 team
(A scrimpool is geographical region where people can play with each other with a decent ping, in AMER they are 3 or 4, Chicago-NA, Miami-LAN, Santiago-LAS, SP-BR, EMEA have 3 : Franckfurt-EU-TR-CIS-Maghreb, Dubai-ME, Cape-Africa, China have 1, APAC have 4, Tokyo-KRJP, SG-SEA, Sydney-OCE, Mumbai-SA)
I admit my argument stand more for OCE and India, butit's still working for VN.
Well, scriming T1 if it's China... Isnt the same wiegh than APAC or AMER lets be honest.
Other problem of not having a T1 team is that they are no outlet foryour player, your player that are worth T1 will play into T1 as "pseudoimport" (When you play for a team that isnt from your country, but that is from our region).
The last argument is the marketing one, by having a T1 team, you bring attention of VN people on the valorant scene and it's helping to recruit new player that will play the game.
Not being good is usually a vicious circle that need to be break one day or another, and we cant reduce that by "get gud lol"
BME and FS had more experience than SPG at Ascension 2023 and still lost. what are these excuses lol
It's not "Who have more", it's "Who have enough to be on the list of potential winners"
SLT and SPG plays against T1 player everyday in soloQ, SLT and SPG play everyday against player that have experience in T1 during their T2 game. Experience trickle down on the whole scene, wish isn't the case for smaller scrimpool like OCE and India.
"merit" doesnt exist, people coming from bigger region have just way more opportunities than people coming from smaller region, thats why children coming for rich family tends to have way better job then people coming from poor family. Meritocracy is an illusion to maintain the status quo of an unfair world.
Look at India, in 2021 their best team was at the same level of seed 3, 4 and 5 Korea. Now, I'm not even sure top Indian team could beat an up and down T2 KR team. What did changed ? KR had 5 years of T1 experience and a scrimpool full of T1 player while India had almost none. Even tho India is the playerpool is the fastest growing, the trend should got on the other side and thats not the case.
This is a snowball situation where to be good in ascention you need experience, and VN team have absolutely NO EXPERIENCE, so they are not good, so they dont play good tournament, so they have no experience and it's a vicious circle.
You need a full VN team for the same reason India actually need a real full Indian team if they want to achieve something in the future.
It's a huge market, so i'll say yes, Japan deserve 2 slot, you are not looking in the right direction.
To me the main problem there is that, China have too many spots (No need to explain), Amer have too many spots (Asking more slot to NA while they have 5 would be the equivalent of asking a 6th lane to fix traffic problem), EMEA have the exact right amount of spot (-1 EU + 1 RU)... AND APAC NEED LIKE x1.5 slots.
And you can even question Mongolia and Taiwan needing a slot, or even a proper eastern russia team (And split East and West Russia residency), you can also argue that Gulf belong to APAC and need 1 spot.
Riot talked about reducing the number of partner team in 2027, if thats happen it would be horrible fo APAC staying one region and we will need 2 region.
Also APAC see a huge groth of Valorant Fanbase in APAC and a decline in AMER, I see the APAC split in 2031 unavoidable (Maybe later if we go to 12 partner team), but it's too early in 2027 so VN will probably have no spot. (People calling for AMER split, without calling for APAC split are not aware of the situation in APAC, the only T2 that need more slot in AMER is LAN)
I love Lothar, and TMV put his finger on right thing sometimes (He was the first noticing Breah is useless), but not this time, nobody canbe right on everything
Lets be honest, I feel in Valorant composition weight only for 1% of victory, most important is indiv and fundamentals (SMG beating see 1 NA with no smoke because they pick a random comp and no remake)
Yes ! I see nothing when I pass on a mirror, (and I'm going to sleep when the sun rise, how cooked I am ?)
-C9 +FlyQuest
As an ex LoL fan this is so funny (FQ and C9 proximity when IIRC FQ basically was C9 acad once ago <3)
I hope next world cup will feature every singe team 256 format <3
(Probably the only way for Italia to qual)
I think the team in 4-0 plays the team in 5-1 for the first spot, so we have only one team that play 4 games (but this team could play an exhibition game a little bit like a team in 0-4 in the current tournament, but is it's a T2 team, and it will probably be the case, it wont be needed)
Any team that is a qualification game should probably be in BO5, so thats maybe 3 or 4 BO5
Avoiding a bye round IS a worthwhile goal, but im not sure the "barrage" round route is a good idea.
Barrage is a bye for everyone, except for team from the 4th bracket (Before the merge with the 3rd). The proposition you gave is really different from my proposition, you added way more too many game, and this kind of bracket doesnt work.
About swiss, it's perfect mathematically speaking. (Because my bracket have the same math behind the swiss)
In short, after 4 game you have :
Team in 4-0 is already qual,
Then you have 4 team in mid bracket and 8 in lower bracket and math are mathing
hehehe we are on the same page here my bro, in my system you are qualified if you are in +4
About the .png, it's not that clear, but I'm pretty sure no team disapear
To help you to visualize, I did that https://imgur.com/PG8SWBP.png, as you can see you qualify either in 4-0, 5-1, or with 6 wins (usually 6-2, but if the team that win this come from the 3L bracket he will be in 6-3)
In short, after 4 game you have :
Then you have 4 team in mid bracket and 8 in lower bracket and math are mathing
Round robin is good if you want a big "number of game / elimination ratio", but international event tend to drop that kind of inefficient format (only solution is if they are no chance), why not make the 32 teams directly in stage 1 ?
In both case team have 4 games to grow over the competition, so they can improve even if they have a bad start, so I don't understand your point ^^
Don't forget, even for non 0-4 teams, in group stage you also have game where the result doesnt change the rank in last round.
PRX qualifying and winning toronto from being 0 - 3 in groups
Thats kinda the point, group stage is so mush less stakes than playoffs, so why not have playoffs only if we don't have any downside.
I want to open this debate : Shall we end group stage ?
Since it doesn't really matter since a team could do 5-0 in group to end 0-2 in Playoffs, and we lack of time, why make so many games are played with such low stakes.
So question is shall we replace group stage and playoffs, with quadrupleElim/Swiss only, it's the same number of game almost (42 vs 48, only 6 more), but more importantly, we can make a split in 5 weeks, instead of 7, and give more places to T2
Long ramble
https://youtube.com/shorts/Kwga24ag8mo?feature=share
Thougth ?
EDIT pick of Quad Elim (It's could also be swiss, the quad elim I propose and Swiss are both the same mathematically speaking) : https://imgur.com/04loTZJ.png
T3 team, but not T3 leagues, sadfully
Why so ? It's an excellent compromise since we cnat have too many T2, and some good subregion need to be represented.
I don't think the ability to dash and kill in the same time is really sane for the game, this is my main problem there, I have no idea if she is OP or not...
Exactly, that's why we definitely need a T3
Thats the reason why T2 should also have a "path to master"
I think the problem is more that the agent doesnt seem sane for the game.
Ireland, UK, Norway, Finland, Sweden and Denmark have their own T3 league organised by the T2 TO
This model should be used by everyone.
Thai should not have a tier 2 region : But, you should have a tier 3 the same way nordic country have a tier 3 region. Splitting the huge SEA pool of team isnt good, more best ID-TH-MY-PH team have time together more they will improve, it's a bad idea to split. But yeah, under T2, you should have a Tier 3.
First you have to take in account that APAC have more team than AMER (40% APAC, 30% AMER, 30% EMEA, I don't have data on China) and also more T2 regions. With an evolution that is really in favor of APAC (Percent of AMER go down, APAC go up)
if a region split it's will be APAC first, AMER 2nd, so you will have at least 6 regions, so you would probably have 2 slots for every region in master, and 4 in champs
But realistically, EMEA got more player than AMER and the playerpool increase compared to AMER, and when the war will be over it will increase even more. So If APAC and AMER split, EMEA will probably also split (EU have the same weigh than NA and CIS/TR/MENA largely match BR+LATAM), so you can count on at least 7 regions, maybe 8 to round it (We will need to develop Valorant in Africa someday), Master with 16 team (2 slot each), and champs with 24.
And Yes all of them would count as import
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