It's unrealistic yeah but I think their playstyles would match each other so nicely
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It's unrealistic yeah but I think their playstyles would match each other so nicely
I don't think franchising is why the format you suggested is suboptimal. I think the only thing that franchising really restricts is the teams which play, but theoretically the teams that play have nothing to do with crafting the format, which is why I thought the tier 2 suggestion was good.
This is what Riot are doing in 2025, and to be honest I think it's the ideal format if you don't account for tier 2. We have a full kickoff bracket as you suggested for Masters 1 to sort of kick things into gear, then with two full independent splits where each team seems to play every other team (twice in total, meaning a minimum of 22 matches), that solves the main issue of teams not playing enough from this year, and it makes qualification for international events more structured. I think an interesting thing to note is that this is basically just the 2023 format if we were to not have LOCK//IN, where LCQ(ish tournament) and Split 1 are swapped around. I think this approach has the least drawbacks, and the main issues aren't even to do with the format. For example I don't think Masters 1 should be 8 teams at all, it should definitely be 12 but in theory that is a very easy fix. I think 4 international events is a good idea but it will only work if the off season is condensed even more.
Honestly the tier 1 format is pretty good, I think the main discussion we should be having is on how to fix the tier 2 system, so it can actually be justifiable for orgs to invest in, as the current promise of a 'roughly 1/20 place for a tier 1 spot for a year minimum' is very lacklustre.
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I like the idea of letting tier 2 teams play, but with this it seems that the teams who already don't play much (i.e. those who aren't good) will play even less, now you could chalk that up to being a skill issue, but its a series problem since if an org doesn't play games as less companies will be willing to sponsor them. In this current system we already have the issue of too few games, so I think this would just make the inequality between the top teams and the lower teams worse
what has he said in the past?, I'm unfamiliar
wow that's a nice piece
have you applied for a vlr writer position? I think you could make it
https://www.vlr.gg/362584/vlr-gg-writers-wanted
Yeah exactly, that's what I tried to point out near the end of my paragraph
It has it's issues 100% I agree but outside of taking gambling money which riot refuses to do I don't think there's another way to make it sustainable. I like how it's not a complete franchising system and more of a 'partner' system, this also has cons but I like how it means the orgs don't get too much power
idk its hard to tell, the only way would be to see if he's good or bad is to have someone else do the job and compare it to them. But that could turn out badly if he actually ends up being decent. On one hand I like how he's been receptive, he's somewhat listened to the community; for example when people were complaining about the off season being too long (both in tier 1 and tier 2) he actually did something to address it, when pros were complaining about the PC's he fixed the issue. On the other hand I think he's really struggled convincing orgs to stick to tier 2, and by extension he's failed to create a 'carrot' for tier 2 orgs
dort should be the first user limited to 3 stars
and yes W shout for cloudberry
What I'm curious of is if they've given out any more titles/buddies for masters/champs winners accidentally now that we know that its even a possibility
KOI Demon1 is happening bro, you just aren't ready
even better go read this: https://www.vlr.gg/380895/i-showed-a-cned-to-a-girl-at-work
CS vs Val 'beef' is the most 1st world shit I've ever seen, there are better things to get pressed about
I play Val more but still play some CS, and honestly just play whichever one you enjoy more 😭😭
wtf thats crazy
if xeus and kaajak aren't on the table it might be a shout
he'd probably have until June to prove him self over comeback
I'm slightly hesitant to say it because of how KC performed at the end of 2024 but I think magnum gets a lot more flack than he deserves, considering he was put in to the igl role I think he's done a pretty good job
ofc engh is present but I think magnum gets more hate than deserved
play a bit more consistently (better to play 3 games a day than 6 games every other day)
maybe a few more dms, normally hs% is irrelevant but try to get at least 25% just so you know its for sure not an issue
yeah this pretty much (assuming you want to actually play duelist to play the role, and not just to frag only). I would commit to learning 2 of the 3 and that should cover all maps
Isn't crossfire super popular in china
uh oh
chronicle
mako (igl)
aspas
johnqt
chichoo
wait its a real team? I thought it was just some randoms
https://i.imgur.com/LYMWlsv.png
I have been validated
americas then pacific would be the most optimised route
we got ping spoofing in valorant before gta VI
yeah you're right. The purpose of that was to just get the point across that if they want money they probably can get money (to invest)
let's say 8 franchised and 4 Premier then, yeah 20 is a lot I only meant to use it as an example for the 1:3 ratio
rumours are aspas is looking to leave LEV. Whenever LEV was playing bad aspas was still doing pretty good, so the general thought is that if LEV have a bad game, they won't have aspas to save them. Now ofc aspas leaving single handily won't make LEV bad but he was certainly a big part of their success this year
considering how much his buyout is, and seeing as how liquid don't seem to want him I think NA is most likely. (if he doesn't stay on FNC(cope))
EDG
FPX
TH
FNC
(yeah boring picks for EMEA ik)
DRX
TLN (home crowd hopium)
G2
KRU
imo mixed but mostly franchised.
Say 20 teams in a region 5 are non franchise slots (i.e. its a Premier team who's slot expires, an org outside of the franchised ones could pick them up, but there would be limitations, just as there is with ascension teams in t1 right now)
https://i.imgur.com/b3QHMBf.png somewhere from here is ideal
imo
You can still have ascension, but this would mean that it's not the only incentive for orgs.
Give them 3 LANs, two mid season LANs (with decent prize pools) and Ascension. The regular season can still be online.
This is basically kicking the can down the road, but I think with how nicely they've handled tier 3 (premier) this is actually feasible.
The main drawback to this is representation of regions, but I think at some points you just have to make sacrifices, the current system is just too decentralised and doesn't work imo.
'young' might be misleading mb
what I mean is fresh talent, cracked players straight from tier 2
some of these might contradict each other, and if one happened maybe some others couldn't happen but I still wanted to see them
what do you wish went differently?
Yeah that's exactly why, I think he has the potential to be pretty good. I would even go as far as to say have him not do mid rounding or igling at all, if he's focusing on aiming I think he's decent
oh wait its in the poll too im blind
if NAVI go for a younger team hiro
if they go for an experienced team suygetsu
but I think they're going for a young team so I'll say hiro
yeah that had me confused too, most likely as you say, they're hoping he goes full igl
honestly depends on the team and their playstyle
is it bad that I wanna see enzo play again
wow
do you know where else scream has been trying out? or is rumoured to?
Discord