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Riot Rules SUCK (my opinion)

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SpaceCow

Not sure if this is allowed on vlr but here goes.

I made a post earlier today to decide between singularity or exo vandal.

To resolve my issue I raised a ticket, the ai agent responded to it and closed it. To my dissatisfaction, I opened a chat with a riot support agent via official means. My issue is not resolved and the reasoning has caught me by surprise.

All relevant context is provided in my ticket and chat, quoting them below verbatim:

1. URGENT: Request for refund - Singularity Vandal

Hi! I apologize for the refund request. I was only aware that the gun skin must be unused and not upgraded (to my understanding - in game). I got the Singularity vandal 2 days back, I left it at base level and unused in case the exo vandal showed up anytime soon, and oh my foresight, it did! To make sure my choice of Exo over Singularity I wanted to check out the Singularity's ADS, so for the first (and only) time I entered the practice mode. I have decided to get the Exo vandal. It was not until I checked the 'available refunds' page that I came to know that range-use is forbidden too. Welp, now I know, so it won't happen again. I request you to refund the singularity vandal's purchase as soon as possible so that I can get the Exo. Thanking You, SpaceCow

2. Chat with Agent

12:49 PM | Spinach Soup from Riot Games: Hey there, how may I help you?

12:49 PM | SpaceCow#2050: Hi, this is with regard to a ticket I raised today (#121619160). The ticket was responded by "ALPH-1", despite my thorough clarity and genuine reasoning, I am certain that the context was not taken into consideration at all, I request a review.

12:51 PM | Spinach Soup from Riot Games: I see you wish to refund the Singularity Vandal

12:52 PM | SpaceCow#2050: correct

12:52 PM | SpaceCow#2050: addition: and get the exo vandal currently in my store

12:52 PM | Spinach Soup from Riot Games: The thing is, we can only grant refunds for skins that haven't been upgraded or used. I see that the Singularity Vandal in your inventory has been used, which means we lack the option to refund it for you.

Still, I trust you will get to like that skin eventually and utilize it well with your skills. Personally, I think it looks pretty cool!

12:56 PM | SpaceCow#2050: I understand that, I acknowledged my ignorance in my ticket description.
However, I request you to please understand that my case is genuine. I did not upgrade the skin, or enter a match with it, just the range to make sure I want the exo vandal over the singularity. This is clearly the first and obviously the last time such a ignorant thing happened.

12:57 PM | SpaceCow#2050: The vp I used is my hard earned money. To top that, with the increasing number of skins in the game it is very tough to get what one wants in the store.

12:59 PM | SpaceCow#2050: if directly refunding the vp is an issue: deduct the additional vp I have in my account and replace the singularity vandal with the exo vandal present in my store.

12:59 PM | Spinach Soup from Riot Games: I understand how you feel. However, we lack the opportunity to refund the skin, as it's been already used. If we refund the skin, that will ruin the integrity of the game and will be very unfair towards all other players

01:06 PM | SpaceCow#2050: from the reasoning, I deduce that the rule itself is the issue.
Earlier, there was a one-time refund available to long-term players. I have played this game for 5 years and this is how I get supported? Logically, I am not even losing Riot anything, I am just asking for a skin exchange. The previous skin being un-upgraded, unused, one exception: minor testing in range (fact! using the base variant to confirm that I want the other skin!).

01:08 PM | Spinach Soup from Riot Games: The policy, you mentioned, has been deprecated for a long time now. We lack the opportunity to refund skins, if they have been used, even if it was just for a very small period of time in the Practice Range

01:10 PM | SpaceCow#2050: I understand your state Spinach Soup, you lack the opportunity to refund my skin.
So I would like to approach a higher up who has the opportunity to refund my skin. I would not mind if my request is turned down with a good reasoning, not because it is not possible because of the hardcoding.
Thank you

01:10 PM | SpaceCow#2050: Please guide me on my further actions.
Thank you

01:11 PM | Spinach Soup from Riot Games: We are part of a flat structure, where all Agents have the same abilities. There are no higher-ups, who can do different and more advanced things. The skin is not refundable. If you have no further questions or concerns, I might be forced to close this chat

01:16 PM | SpaceCow#2050: You may close the chat, I am very dissatisfied.
Not at all disappointed with your support, but I am highly disappointed in the rigid structure of the system.

01:18 PM | Spinach Soup from Riot Games: Thank you for being so understanding and patient. We appreciate your feedback, as we are always looking for opportunities on how to improve our policies and systems. Have a good one.

#2
jerry34
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Keep crying primmie

#19
RealBallKnower
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Are you racist?

#25
satellite_kov
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pr00m00
cow in his name
not racist
silly blind boy

#3
SkyXD
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isn’t there sm sht you have to click that makes you declare it’s non refundable
lowkirkenuinely your problem

#7
SpaceCow
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uhh no?

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BabyWizard
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Yes there is

#4
cloudberry
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...I mean... could you not just have read the refund policy before buying it?

#6
SpaceCow
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as far as I knew, it had to be unupgraded and not used in-game (some stuff related to loading screen too).

#5
Acethyr
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I know people are saying “you should’ve known better” and allat which is true, you should’ve.

But I do think the policy is scummy nonetheless. Not fair whatsoever to the buyer. Wish Val was owned by valve instead, fuck riot

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eStos
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fuck riot

W Acethyr

#9
SpaceCow
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i came to know about the refund policy long back, so it was a bit vague. But hey! I couldn’t imagine the rule being so rigid that it wouldn’t allow a genuine exception, especially when there’s no logical viability so I did not think twice.
Moreover, the ball is further in riot's field given that I am preferring a more expensive vandal!

#13
4so4so4so
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Valve barely updates cs

#14
Acethyr
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the fact that they do that is a positive, at least they do something
riot does fuckall, theyre skin salesmen not game devs

#11
kbkdark
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Yeah... This refund policy is fucking shit

I know that there are players who will abuse this mechanism if this policy become "softer", but their losses (If this actually affects the company's cash flow, since the game itself is FREE) would be insignificant comparing to the amount of players that won't refund at all

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SpaceCow
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i thought about it, if they allow to use the base level in range, the only possible benefit to the player is that they can just record it in range? (assuming that no one has fun with a base variant in range).

More so, in my case I wished to buy a more expensive one. So it's a monetary benefit.

#12
Nats_2nd_biggest_fan
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I did use that one time refund thing like 2 years ago
Shame they stopped doing it

#17
SpaceCow
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THIS! I knew I read about that somewhere! I thought I had misread something!

#15
foythvlr
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I wanted to check out the Singularity's ADS

Theres literally sample videos on the skin page + you can just also search on youtube

I'm sorry but just seems like that's on you for not knowing the rules

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SpaceCow
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"why wait for the moment and watch others test it when I have it myself - that ads does not depend on upgrading the skin"
:*)

I should've known the rule, that is exactly why I started by apologizing. But being a rule does not make something absurd right.

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9wntr
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unlucky
the rule is bs tbh
but its r0t0
its weird cus in lol u get refund tokens that give u a 2 week refund period
even if u played ranked with the skin

#21
SleepingSnorlax
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It’s overall shitty rule lmao of refund they will never gonna do it

#22
PandaZ
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I'm more intrigued about how good the interaction was between you and the agent didn't know vlr users had the capability to be this polite, W and unlucky man gotta be more patient next time.

#24
SpaceCow
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Oh I've had my share of unpleasant interactions with the densest vlr users ever since it existed.

Btw, our vlr birth dates are just 2 days apart :D

#23
BerLINglazer
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kinda unrelated but i really like how you and the support handled the situation

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