Who was better in your opinion? My take is Patmen has better game sense and lurking but Invy is better mechanically. Drop your takes: Patmen/ Invy?
Patmen vs Invy Voting
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it is not like he single handdly won them trophy big role in winning was something yoru learning and jingg also learning omen which made map strong and mini with help on side patmen came so just team envorment change cuase they have to start fresh for player to adjust and add little bit of less W key game
not saying patmen did bad but he was not main reason for trophy win
true. they just really need an initiator too. The other 4 also just played really really well in Toronto. There's only so much PatMen can do as a support player. it's not like he went above and beyond lol. he was in a position to set the other players up for success and any other initiator would be able to do the same supporting that he did. If anything all he really contribute that is really HIS. was his impactful clutch factor which is not going to be a reliable win condition, very much like iZu during Bangkok clutching here and there, he wasn't able to maintain the same form in stage 1 onwards, same with PatMen. his clutch genes were non existent after toronto, BUT while he was able to bring the best out of the other 4 with his role. there's no other player that could give better support than that. as perfect as he was in that role, other initiators even the ones worse than him could also provide the same type of support to the team and will win them toronto regardless. If you offer both PatMen and Invy to frost. Frost would pick Invy for GE lol
I wont judge invy right now lets wait for 1 international to judge him . For me patmen is above from invy .Patmen has played important role in winning the masters .
Unless invy replicates the way patmen pulled out clutch moments he can't be better even if he is a more complete player overall. I do believe invy can replicate that or even do better tho
the argument “patmen won them a trophy” is so stupid and has 0 substance imo
you can’t compare a player purely based on their achievements without taking into account their contexts (invy was stuck on te0m s0cr0t)
would you really say that s0m is a better player than keiko (top 3 smokes player itw)?
trust your coach Alecks that invy is an upgrade
I think PRX's trophy win was more thanks to ilya becoming the best player in the world for that moment in time rather than Patmen becoming the "glue" of the team. so imma say Invy
something was not the best player during toronto, jingg and forsaken were better, he regained his mojo after toronto
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