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why is vit a superteam but not t1?

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#1
Jayde

(I might be biased here)
I see so many people labelling vit a superteam but not mentioning t1 when vit only have 2 players that have actually won something while t1 have FIVE master winners and a player with 2 masters wins and a 2nd place and another player with 2nd place

How tf r vitality called a superteam and t1 arent when sayonara has never proven himself on stage and profek is also a huge question mark
Also derke jampii and chron dont put up the numbers they used to anymore

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Laundry
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I think it’s based on the context of the region that the majority considers it that way

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Jayde
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;-; ig so

#4
HIMNIJ
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realistically T1 IS a super team and was last year aswell, they just looked ass for half the year so ppl dont think of them as one

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Jayde
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I mean...they were still top 4 rest of the year but thats fair ig

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HIMNIJ
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they consistently just looked like they were getting by on individual skill, like fully only winning rounds off shooting better, which makes people feel bad about them even if they technically won games

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Jayde
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Well yea thats why they changed coach+igl
I feel like its just dump putting that label on vit when they have WAY more unknowns than t1

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KiwiJuice
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I don't get it either, last year vit was a super team. This is just a graveyard

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BeastieBoys
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Buzz and Izu stocks aren't really high at the moment, but T1 are a superteam. Meteor is the best at his role, debatably in the world, and Munchkin is the best IGL in pacific. I think if we had 2023 Buzz stocks, then T1 would be touted as a superteam.

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KiwiJuice
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Best at his role?? All this guy does is overpeak everything and get away with it because he's just better. But in NO way is he even remotely good at his role.

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Jayde
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Thats overdoing it.

#36
KiwiJuice
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not even denying the overpeaking bit, maybe a little exaggerated but T1 could win it all if Meteor had a little more discipline.

#11
Jayde
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Meteor is not the best in his role honestly, maybe in pacific
Izus stocks being low is criminal tho and even buzz had an amazing year tbh

#17
irahashax
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buzz was mid most of the year ngl

#19
Jayde
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Atleast 2/3rd best player on the team the entire year

#8
Ronyko23
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Superteam with bot sayonara bahahahahhahaha

ur ball knowledge is weak with profek. He is the smartest player in this team.

Profek was crazy good all year.

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Jayde
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Profek may have great potential but he has to prove himself first.

#16
Ronyko23
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They gonna perform better without sayonara. Liquid gonna dominate emea.

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shrike-
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Liquid gonna dominate emea.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA

#34
Ronyko23
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EVen liquid academy clears half emea

#14
Uribaba
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Tbh t1 is more of a superteam than vlt

#18
Agx192
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Because vitality will fail and t1 won't

#20
sw4gman
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well now that you mentioned it they are, in fact, a superteam

#21
InYourDreams
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Munchkin is a oldie at T1 so not that big of level of super team and also B0zz and st0x still there

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Jayde
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Well what does it matter if hes an unc if he still consistently destroys people

#24
InYourDreams
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Oldie in the sense he just returned back to T1 where he started out in vct on first place

#23
1d
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Cuz they signed the greatest player of all time and top5 greatest all time

#25
femboyhater
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They have tiltkin now they can choke 10-2 leads

#28
RealBallKnower
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If T1 is superteam then Full Sense is definitely superteam too because FS beat T1 pretty easily.

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Jayde
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Good one

#31
shrike-
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simple, because neither of these teams are superteams

#41
Jayde
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Thats honestly my take on it, i think t1 is a korean superteam at most but idt both are genuine "superteams"

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t1 would be more of a superteam if buzz and stax didn't shit the bed for over half the year and ruin their stock over the past 2 years (stax basically missed out on every international in 2024, buzz made it to only 1, both had never reached an international grand final until bangkok, both fell off immediately after - especially buzz, who looked awful at champs 25)

as it stands t1 has 3 players who are top 5/top 3 in their role in pacific (izu, munch, meteor) and 2 players who are top 5 in their role in the world (meteor, munch)

vitality has the biggest prospect in emea (sayonara), a two time trophy winner that is arguably top 5 in their role in the world and definitely top 3 in emea, and profek&jamppi are top 5 players in their role in emea (cmiiw). also they have a goat contender in chronicle.

meteor and munchkin are the only people in t1 to have made more than 1 final, whereas chronicle and derke have made it to a combined 6 (berlin, berlin, sao paulo, tokyo, toronto, champs 25)

i feel like there is a plausible star power difference between vitality and t1 that makes t1 less of a "superteam" than vitality.

not saying i disagree but these could be the defining differences between the two. also i don't like calling t1 a superteam because the hype and pressure that such a name would bring to them would be too high.

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Jayde
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Buzz was still a top 3 player on t1 throughout the entire year

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archetype
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yeah on t1. not in the region let alone the world

#43
Jayde
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Still 2nd to 4th best team in the region last yr lol

#45
archetype
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sure but that doesn't make buzz a top 5 player in the world or region nor does that make t1 a superteam

#33
fr0ster0p
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yaa pacific has 2 superteam T1 and PRX
EMEA has VIT
AMERICA has MIBR NRG

#35
KINGMANNY42
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people were def calling t1 a superteam in 2025 idk why not 2026

#37
Vesslan
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You're not biased, T1 does have 5/6 Masters winners so they are a super team. It's just hard to have the buzz VIT does cause they are Korean.

#38
xineFso
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Only superteam material T1 players are Meteor and Munchkin

#40
Jayde
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If were calling verno tex and mazino superteam material surely we count atleast izu and maybe even buzz in there

#44
targuin
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Its gonna depend on your definition (and gl creating one)
My issue with calling t1 a super team is that its just an existing team adding a player

That makes the super teams boring since youll have a ton of them per year
NRG is a super team (4 Champs winners + one of the hottest emea players of 2025)
PRX is a super team (4 Master winners + one of the most consistent pacific players of all time)
T1 is a super team (4 Master winners + one of the most accomplished players of 2024)
and so on

Basically every team that wins an international is going to create a super team on the next change, as long as they dont fully implode.
And if you count previous years' winners too that list is gonna grow very quickly as rosters shuffle over time.

For me super team is much more about ambition, and changing 1 player is nowhere near ambitious as Vit or Lev's roster; despite both of them having a very significantly higher chance to not work out.

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