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Has way too much funding for something that's supposed to be a space that non male players can build up their skills to bring them to tier 2/tier 1. Right now the salaries and prize pools of Game Changers is higher than some regions in tier 2 which is crazy because this isn't encouraging anyone to join tier 2/tier 1, it just keeps them in a bubble that people have no incentive to move out of.

Additionally, no shot GCC can drop a band and get one of the most popular K-Pop groups to make a song solely for it while tier 2 is still struggling with venue and production problems...

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I GO MIA

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100% I fear. At MOST tier two and GC get the same amount of funding.

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they just took a 5 month old song tho...

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They have the funds to even get a song while they supposedly don't have the funds to get a better production team for tier 2?

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I mean why spend that money on tier 2 rather than to promote a tournament that quite literally is more popular than VCT Emea and had a higher peak viewership than EWC?

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Because tier 2 is the base and structure of their most profitable scene of franchising? You can say the same thing about tier 1 lol, why are they spending this much money on GC when they could be spending it on tier 1 which gets way more viewers and brings in much more profit than GC does…

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Riot would spend more money on tier 1 if they thought the ROI was worth it. Maybe getting this katseye song to promote GCC is worth it in terms of ROI you don’t know. The ROI is probably better than investing that money into the tier 2 scene though. The tier 2 scene is definitely unsustainable but I don’t think killing the GC scene is a good way of fixing that problem, in fact it probably wouldn’t even help that much.

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katseye isn't kpop mf

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DBStudios

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How tf does this have anything to do with what the post is about 😭

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most girls who are good enough to reach radiant aren't given representation and that's where GC comes in, there are tier 1 orgs who are willing to spend actual money to field a GC squad

GC doesn't help tier 1 directly, but it provides representation to marginalized genders so that in the future more girls are willing to commit to playing pro and that's something no esport title has atm + im sure GC has way more sponsors for GCC compared to ascension finals that barely gets any good viewership numbers

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are good enough to reach radiant

If you are good you will reach radiant on your own :)

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laifu

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*correction
girls who are good enough be consistently radiant every act such as sarahcat and vania deserve to be represented

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DBStudios

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So first of all, this has nothing to do with your previous statement, and second GC is not helping bring women into the tier 2/tier 1 scene currently lmfao. Everyone right now have zero reason to leave or get better than they currently are in GC.

im sure GC has way more sponsors for the actual tournament compared to ascension finals that barely gets any good viewership numbers

This is a crazy statement as GCC in 2024 has basically the same peak viewership as all of the ascensions and has less average viewers as them (btw this was the same year where we had like 9 hour tech pauses too in EMEA and Americas).

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my original post was satire but ok ig, if you want my real opinion I don't see why having katseye is a bad thing, one of their members does play valo and is probably one of the reasons why this happened

also stop lying out yo ass
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1gtjmv1/game_changers_championship_2024_peaked_at_over/

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DBStudios

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Yes and GCC is an international event with every single region involved, if you want to take that statistic then you need to consider every region's ascension lmfao which peak viewers adds up to around the same amount. If you want to be a dumbass and not look at an official website for average viewers I will do it for you.

GCC averaged 124k viewers while ascension averaged over 150k+ viewers and that's being generous since we aren't even counting China's viewership either lmao.

https://www.vlr.gg/481260/vct-americas-account-viewbotting/#1

Also there is this from a while back which I find ironic since you're bringing viewership into this

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oh wow you are underplaying GCs success by using average viewership 😲😲

450k viewer peak across all platforms for the GCC grand finals is still impressive (this number is growing every year btw)
most esports titles don't come close to those numbers especially when (10 girls are competing against eachtother) (ik crazy right)

also your viewbotting claim has 0 proof and i feel like you just hate GC

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oh wow you are underplaying GCs success by using average viewership 😲😲

How am I underplaying GC's success again????? Average viewership is a better indicator of people who actually watch the games lmfao. If a scene had a crazy amount of viewers for one game but terrible viewership for the rest of the games are you really doing to say that it's a better scene than one that has the same peak viewership but better views on other games? braindead take after braindead take lmfao. Also we do realize that GCC incentivizes people to watch it with drops too, where are those drops in tier 2?

also your viewbotting claim has 0 proof and i feel like you just hate GC

https://imgur.com/a/khcJ26I

LMFAO THAT LAST STATEMENT JUST SAY YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO ADD IN LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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congrats you still haven't proven the viewbotting thing
and how is drops a bad thing? any exposure is good exposure for GC, especially when their numbers are showing an actual improvement yearly

viewership aside teams are gonna invest regardless and still will get plenty of sponsorship coverage so that the prizepool can continue to be 500k every year tier 2 doesn't have that advantage unfortunately and even though tier 2 is 'better'

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Pacific 2024 Ascension alone HAD

Predator
intel
Ergonoz
Imperial World
Novotel Bangkok Bangna
Steelseries
Syndome
TTRacing
WD_BLACK
ZOWIE

Their prize pool is still 100k btw...

congrats you still haven't proven the viewbotting thing

So we just ignoring the image now? lmfao

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A 500k prize pool for a team that stands no chance against a random premier team should never have been put in place.
Just let it be open circuit and give the best players get the best rewards, there are talents in gc that could eke out a spot other than Flor yet they are stuck in the lucid dream that they are competing on a real stage.

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laifu

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eh SRG made it to NA challengers by beating the best premier squad with rando immo 3s/radiants so

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and how many games did they win after?

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i only watch to see baddies

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so how would u change it for the system to keep flowing

Also i dont think GC is being overfunded, tier2 is just being underpaid

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DBStudios

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Also i dont think GC is being overfunded, tier2 is just being underpaid

I mean I kind of disagree with this statement, there's nothing you can really say that justifies GC having a prize pool that matches a master's prize pool. Also the fact that they can afford these big venues and has amazing production for GC while they make excuses about not having enough funds for tier 2 is just crazy imo.

Lowk #19 has a good take about what should happen with the system, gives teams an actual incentive to competing and getting better. But also riot has already kind of tried this and it hasn't worked out (SRG going into tier 2) which can be for a number of reasons but imo the main reason is that they js don't care enough about tier 2 and can get paid better in GC (they aren't trying to get better so the skill gap is massive).

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you know how dumb you sound

SRG and TLBR qualified to tier 2 before through premier LMAO if anything they shouldn't give a free spot and have them instead consistently play tier 3 teams in that relegation/promotion (which is the current system rn btw for any team wanting to play challengers)

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https://www.vlr.gg/event/2301/challengers-2025-north-america-ace-stage-1/closed-qualifier

Let's fucking read what it says under both Flyquest and SRG, does it say premier??? IT SAYS "INVITED" HOW STUPID CAN WE BE????? They just completely skipped pass the open qualifiers lmfao.

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laifu

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so them qualifying to challengers against tier 3 pros isnt 'trying', sure they got a free pass but they still made it through into that challengers spot because they are good at the game (crazy ik)
them winning against TSM isnt 'trying'

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The same team that went 0-4 after qualifying btw and also the same team that got whopped in relegation, also we are saying them beating TSM was a good feat when TSM was throwing the game and they still somehow almost managed to lose... Did we even watch the same game?

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Do you try to think before you speak or are you only capable of being wrong on every take

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I kinda disagree with #19, cutting out 90% of the prizepool is insane work. But the idea of regional winners getting a chance in tier 2 does sound better than inviting the teams into qualifiers

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DBStudios

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Yeah I wasn’t talking about the prize cut because that’s a lot lmao just the second idea was pretty good.

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GC should be shut down, even men play in that and earn easy bag its so dumb

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downvoted for speaking the truth LOLL

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Has way too much funding

agree, cut -90% prizepool and give it to tier 2, but every gc regional winner got direct slot to tier 2

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was it riot who said that gc was always meant to just be temporary in an attempt to give marginalized people more chances to be on the spotlight/normalize co-ed cause yeah sure thats great but that doesnt seem to be happening anytime soon (hope it changes though)

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This about to trigger some people but we all know it's the truth.

Paying for katseye then Leo Faria wanna complain about we don't have money for tier 2

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Idk if it’s just me but I don’t think killing the GC scene is the answer to fixing the tier 2 scene