nats is an insane player but u guys overrate him like crazy, he’s no where near the goat debate
even siufatbb has more post franchising international game wins than him
but if he wins champs the glaze is valid
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That wasnt the case in toronto genius. Bro got exposed for being illiterate
still comparing him to siufatNoobie is just absurd...bro hasnt been releventlong enough to be compared to Nats XD
relevant enough to place higher than shAts in the same tourney. Sure he didnt come back for champs but we talk about then form TL vs then form WOL
one fluke run vs 5yrs of consistent career....u wanna compare one fluke form toh 5 yrs of form over different metas and different teammates....get some sleep kid....u arent making sense
why are you so butthurt that siufatBB's igling might just be better than nAts? are you related to him? Do you want to marry him? saying that wol was better than s0n at toronto is not a false statement, s0n has won 2 trophies yet they were worse than wol. TL made all 3 internationals this year but at toronto they were NOT better than wolves and that is an irrefutable fact. Now stop crying that a no name player and his no name team had a better placement that shAts and his team
hahahhha..... bro typed that whole para...proved whose the butthurt one XD....anyway.... i have better things to do than argue with delulu kids..u have fun though XD
we're seriously still baiting about visa issues into nearly grouping the tournament winner that's crazy
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i just signed in for you to realise how STUPID you look when you entering this type of shits, first of all he's an IGL player and in this position he putting some outrageous numbers on the board,
he's not outplaying his opponents just by his individual talent he also outplaying his opponents by his IGLING
and without his existence his team is MID, literrally i am not saying theyre bad, BUT there were bunch of other teams and most of their players' individual ceilings were higher than
TL(excluding HIM) that couldnt make it to the tourney.
and all we RIGHT-THINKING people know the reason they come this far; IF we think their chances of winning a trophy FOR A LITTLE BIT all thanks to that that man's name.
He is playing since the BEGGINING of the game ON THE TOP and he's still ON THE TOP There IS NO OTHER PLAYER who CAN DO what HE CAN DO. We don't overrate him, in fact, we UNDERRATE him. So put some FUCKIN respect for his name and PLEASE dont be such idiot. Thank you
If Heretics had nats and liquid had fraud boo over the past two years nats wouldve had two champions trophies and boo wouldve no win at internationally
let that sink in
if pancada and sacy stayed in loud then loud wouldve won two tournaments back to back head ass statement
bro just shut up
if you have a good team you win if you dont you lose, simple huh?
Yes , nats is pretty over rated, okay if that's what u wanna hear ( I don't fucking care Abt ur opinion) and u or me saying shit doesn't change it
He is the goat, it's that your are too pee pee and too kaka and mad cuz bad
you should post this about s0n players instead because they have 4 criminally overrated players
0 iq take, keep rambling, not his fault he had bots in his team 2 years in a row, blame the franchise system and lulquid management, 2024 liquid were supposed to have Leo and Chronicle instead of Mystic and Enzo btw but liquid thought they were too expensive and canceled the deal.
i never said it was his fault but he’s doesn’t get to move UP in the goat debate when he gets last place at internationals
also people can’t keep using the “teammates” excuse, if you are truly one of the greatest u can perform with any team or else u simply aren’t a goat
But he does preform with any team. He literaly made the call to pick a duelist for the first time because he was playing so much better then his team they tried to make him solo carry them to the top 8.
As a fragging IGL he is easily one of the best in the world right now. As a tactical IGL he is clearly up there maybe not at the very top top but very solid. He basically invented how to lurk in valorant and how to play viper or the sentinal class (Already in the Goat debate for this).
He should be slightly higher then a Tenz in my opinion. He's defiantly top 10 and the second best IGL.
Also if he had won champs the debate would be very different, no player should have a good 5 weeks and go from outside the top 20 to literal number 1 talks (Ethan).
(I'm aware half of this didnt make sense MB)
he has attended two internationals where his team won domestic playoffs, they went 1-2 respectively
Nats individually is really good and can play at a really high peak but this team just isn't it
individually he's awesome
but looking at the result on international... he only got 4 win in the last 4 years
You know what, yes he's overrated if you think he's the goat. But you shouldn't rate him based on this season, he's a top player because he's been a great and influential player since the early days. As to his teammates, I do believe that people skills and the ability to find the right circumstances for yourself is part of your resume. However, I think to say that "if you are the goat you can perform with any team" is completely asinine. This is a tac fps and one player can only do so much.
I will never understand how anyone rates this guy so high when he couldn't even get out of a group stage in 2025.
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