The players who will win Champ

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Gugul1

Honestly if PRX win champs
Something ,Jing and Forsaken are top 10 oat...depends if other guys show up(Forsaken already is top 10...he will be top 5 for sure)...together will derke aspas,Alfa and chronicle

If FNC wins
Boaster,alfa and Chronicle are top 3 players oat

If Heretics win
Riens is top 10 oat for me ..l said it

If G2 wins
Just jawgemo enterjng top 10 debate and Valyn is on par with Sadhaak and FNS as IGLs

The rest are out of contention

If TL wins
Nats will be the GOAT

MIBR and T1 aint wining shit...but Aspas and Meteor will be GOATS...if somehow this shit happens

This trophy will be most deciding factor of 5 year VCT

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if tl wins nats will be the goat but if any other team wins their players only make it to top 10 oat? especially fnc prx jawg?
what are you smoking

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ok but nAts is literally hard carrying our team right now

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SENfns

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ok lets say alfa or chron carry fnc (which currently they are) to win this champs, why are they not "goats" but nats is

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he said if fnc win boaster alfa and chron are top3 all time. literally 1 2 and 3 wdym

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SENfns

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i was just using them as examples but why are the paper rex players not considered goats if they win back to back and current tournaments especially a masters 2 + champs
boaster is not getting on that top 3 list

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maybe he values longevity and winning in multiple eras idk

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prx is the 2nd team with the most longevity after fnc

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Ok you know, I'm not opposed to the TL glaze if you really think Trexx/Keiko/Kamo are the same level as chron and alfa. Like nAts is perma top fragging and IGLing for TL, people literally don't call us a superteam they call us nAts and friends (which is just ragebait). But I think chron will also just be the indisputable GOAT of valorant if he wins with FNC this year

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my point is nats is not a goat even if he wins this
if he wins champs he breaks into the top 10 players OAT at best (probably somewhere in the 678 spot), the others, depending on their contribution either break into the top 20 or top 30

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People literally already put him in top 10 players oat

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thats why he's currently OVERRATED, hes top 20 maybe top 15

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Ok, im curious name the 15 players you think are better than nAts

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SENfns

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its not 15 players better than him im saying hes somewhere between the 11-15 position but i could definitely name at least 10 better than him all time
in no specific order: chronicle alfajer aspas d0rke meteor f0rsaken davai jinggg sacy tenz

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Who? He clears everyone individually, you are just low iq and can't appreciate the beauty of his gameplay. Not his fault he was stuck with bots for 2 years after Gambit, blame lulquid management for keeping j0mppi, soulcas, Enzo and mystic

continue thread →

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Gugul1

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Even if lets say forsaken wins it he still will be...but maybe Meteor might surpass him
3 trophies vs 3 trophies
1 has champ

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I mean, I already think Chronicle is the Goat but Aspas fans keep arguing that Aspas is the Goat and trying to downplay chron's trophies because he's been on a super team

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esenoh

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what if xlg wins huh
what about rrq does that make monyet top 20

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FahadKinq

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idk about monyet but jemkin will be in random top10 lists like kangkang

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If DRG wins
Demon1 is the goat

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macncheese

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valyn far eclipses fns as an igl in val if he wins champs. fns has 1 masters (carried by yay)

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Yamaljr

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Valyn is already ahead of fns

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Rico98

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Does Valyn have an International trophy tho?

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Yamaljr

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Bonecold > FNS by your braindead logic

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Forsaken only top 10 if he wins? He's gonna be in the goat debate and probably be the goat if he wins

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aint he already in goat debates

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Pretty much

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No, people only really say he's the GOAT flex or GOAT of pacific. I think for overall Goat people still debate either chron or aspas

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Gugul1

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He is top 5...idk why l mentioned him...l will fix it

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RzqoFoxie

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It's obvious that it'll be Apeks v 2G in the grand finals

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TL?

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Nats will NOT be the goat, stop smoking crack cocaine

Nats hasnt won SHIT since his GMB superteam, and now is only relevant with a godly team.

#noticing

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ImTheKing

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He's better than all AmericASS players

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aquaa018s_alterego

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yeah keep making this a region thing, when your ass cant handle a simple true fact

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Gugul1

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He was best player in the superteam.....is hard to stand out in a roster like that....makes it even more impressive

Acting like G2 aint stacked....yet they fumble...why cant they do what they did?

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g2 are stacked and they couldnt do it because they are facing other good teams LMAO

nats superteam went against "plumbers" as you guys say to disprove sentinel's first trophy

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Gugul1

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That team was called mid on start of season

People had doubts on all 3 players except Patitek and Nats

Yet they proved themselves

Be honest we all had

VIT, TH are maybe FNC as teams to look from EMEA...even FUT,KC was praised more then TL

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aquaa018s_alterego

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and then they brought in trexx.... you guys said TL was gonna be VIT without the failure

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Gugul1

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Yet they went in all 3 events with 3 changes and adpated....they were looking great on Toronto...if they didnt miss Nats...SEN would have lost that group...and TL would be 5-6 minimum

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so whats your point? nats doesnt make team liquid good, you just proved it yourself

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Gugul1

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Shows how they turned from mediocre (not bad players) to great....same as EG 2023....

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aquaa018s_alterego

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patitek was always solid lmao

keiko was already good, and so was kamo

trexx was already a "godly player" before he joined team liquid

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Monsteiur

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Or and If sen win champs, ........oh wait......

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If PRX win champs, forsaken will be on GOAT debate.

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Gugul1

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For me he will be top 3
Leo and Chronicle there already for me...maybe Leo glaze but that guy was something....

Depends if FNC makes grand final

That would be 6 finals for Chronicle and 3 trophies
I think its better looking than 5 finals 2 trophies

And he did it on 2 teams also...for me Chronicle will still be the best player however champs end...2026 maybe not....

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FahadKinq

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if drg wins?

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XAXAX

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If FNC win, the GOAT debate will be only boaster and chronicle

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Gugul1

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Alfa too

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It's all time, not 2025

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Yoplemeo

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Yes? All time alfa is also insane. The guy has atleast 3 primes

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Botster sneak

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Gugul1

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Sneak or not....he has 4 grand finals...won back to back and you can say he made finals with 2 different retiration of FanC roster
2021 and 2025......only IGL to win 2 trophies....only player to make champ 5 times (all playoffs too)

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Baitpass

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He is the reason they are not winning with this roster. Overrated igl asf, If Alfa or chron are not going nuclear they can't even win any games.

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Gugul1

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i think the opposite actually

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Boo becomes a top 2 igl of all time if Heretics wins

#54

Antimonythrew

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jawgemo is already on top 10. its the mechanics and shit he does when hes on yoru. leaf btw is the best player on g2. he is as smart as nats is