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Love this SEN lineup, but they don't seem very comfortable on Icebox this year. I would love to see them experiment with zekken on Sova and N4RRATE on Jett. Zekken has been too good of a rifler this year, and his OP hasn't looked the best this year. Sova is still zekken's second most played agent all-time behind Raze, and he was a demon on Sova on XSET.

N4RRATE - Jett
Zekken - Sova
johnqt - Viper
bang - Omen
Zellsis - Killjoy

Am I on something or onto something?

Yes, I'm an idiot and realized right after hitting post that this map is getting rotated out. Please roast me accordingly.

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Flame4Game

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probably on something.
people were suggesting this role swap from when n4rrate was being signed iirc. but i think it just doesn’t make sense to sacrifice the set roles you’ve had all year for a one-off on one map

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Do they just try to find a comp that works with Raze to play around his strengths then? As much as I love zekken, his OP is probably the weakest part of his game, and Jett OP is so strong on Icebox.

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MachiDesu

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Fans have suggested it forever but they won’t do it. Rn I do think the sage instead of omen is a stronger comp

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severfield

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Would you put bang on Viper and johnqt on Sage in that case? I also realized right after the original post that Icebox is rotating out for Champs

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temi

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Why would they do that when icebox is going out of the map pool

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severfield

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yeah I realized as soon as I hit post that it's rotating out lol

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i wouldnt say the icebox comp very relevant rn especially since its being repaced by abyss for champs. the bigger questions would be what would their abyss look like now or even bind when they havent played those maps since bangkok

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severfield

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remembered it's rotating out like as soon as I hit post lol

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The map won't even be in Champs

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severfield

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clicked "post" and immediately remembered lol

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askrial

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haha imagine forgetting that icebox is going out!
what a doofus!

it's fine i did too

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severfield

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ty for respecting my edit <3

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tmpest

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Even if it was to stay , i dont think they should do a role swap for only 1 map

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Two_Percent

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LITERALLY WHY are people still suggesting zekken switch to sova????? Like yeah he played sova before but that was because he had cryo on his team, literally a world class jett player. Even so zekken is extremely good at jett and narrate is topping the scoreboard playing only initiator, there is zero reason why they should switch roles whatsoever.

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LowGun

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I think it's mainly because zekkens jett is a bit on the weak side and n4rrate was really good on jett. And zekken does have a good sova as well ( used to)
Since jett is not the meta rn idt we will see those changes.

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Two_Percent

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zekkens jett is not even bad, narrate hasnt ever played solo duelist in t1 on any map for any sustained amount of time, and the last time zekken played sova in vct was in 2022

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LowGun

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No one said he is bad but the narrative of n4rrate being a better jett has been out there because of how insane he was on mad lions. We will never know until he plays jett in T1.

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Two_Percent

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I mean yeah but zekken is so decorated on duelist ever since he joined sen, whereas narrate hasnt even played main duelist in t1. If sen didnt make champs, then maybe an argument could be made that sen should switch up roles, but they look like a clear cut top 2 team in americas so it doesnt make sense for them to switch up roles completely even just for one map

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severfield

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SEN is 2-6 on Icebox this year, and zekken is bottom of the leaderboard in a good amount of them. His only good individual performance on Jett on Icebox was when they lost to KRU in March. Zekken was also a world class Sova on XSET. I recognize it's been 3 years, but it's worth a shot if we're going to keep gifting maps to teams.

I will agree that N4RRATE is frying on initiator right now, so maybe I'd be slightly hesitant to switch, but if they are just going to keep throwing with this comp, they should just ban the map tbh.

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Two_Percent

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Ok but the issue with icebox wasn't cearly zekken tho, its a team wide thing. If anything, sen could switch to playing like double controller double senti no duelist or another type of comp that they havent played, but the fact that icebox is leaving + sen could just ban it if it stayed anyways means it doesnt really make sense to gamble so heavily on an experiment