Weakest version of VCL NA?

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Denjisideals

Who even is the team who can play in tier 1 next year. Envy can't because age diff and that's the only team that can actually play consistently well. The scene is so diluted that there is no one who can actually challenge envy. There are good players scattered across the league but none of them have actual consistently good teams. Don't even talk about TSM, I don't know what happened to them. Technically should be top 2 but now they are in the trenches because everyone is underperforming. YFP is good but they are inconsistent. Burger Boys and Ambrosia will make finals, don't see how they come off against Envy so it will be a 3-0 or 3-1. I feel like this is the weakest iteration of VCL NA because a lot of players got poached by tier 1 orgs (the most from any of the previous years) and a lot of the stable orgs are underperforming.

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NRGSUPERFAN

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t2 is dead

lets kill t1 as well

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Denjisideals

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Facts

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Saikko

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by far, scene is beyond fucked

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Ronyko23

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Wdym envy can't.

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Denjisideals

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They are children. No children in tier 1. I am talking about current rosters.

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Ronyko23

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egg poppin & inspire is the main core. They can work with any two shooters.

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Saikko

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yeah work their way back to streaming

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StalwartTiger_35

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i laughed a lil too hard at this

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Denjisideals

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That's what Bleed thought when they couldn't take Juicy to Pacific. Just saying.

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Ronyko23

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Nightz was legit cane 2.0 with rankers.Not even same player with cubert.

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Saikko

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nightz was not dropping 40-60 every game

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Ronyko23

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He was dropping +20 on regular with clove. I guess u r following envy not rankers from the start lol

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Saikko

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https://www.vlr.gg/459085/cubert-academy-vs-envy-challengers-league-2025-north-america-ace-stage-1-playoffs-lr2
https://www.vlr.gg/445241/rankers-vs-cubert-academy-challengers-league-2025-north-america-ace-stage-1-r3

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Ronyko23

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Why are u showing numbers of my team lol. You r just a casual.

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Saikko

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im showing u the head to heads u peon
cane is ur teams star brodie. without him yall r legit where tsm is

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grisx23

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wait you are not wrong lol

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Ronyko23

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There is a reason cubert went with nightz when cane was aval.. Nightz doing numbers on smokes was more impressive.

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soonwookong

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didn't end well tho

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Shuaaaa

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Cane and Ion win them games, and I honestly don’t see a yoru one trick having impact in Tier 1. It’d be worse than apeks’ ascension.

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Ronyko23

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Surely envy can attract good enough t1 players if they ascend. Not gonna perform worst than 2g

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Shuaaaa

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You’d be surprised. 2g wasn’t a heavy favorite heading into last ascension tournament.

But I do also agree, that’d be a low bar.

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wuk1nGg

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Canezerra is the core of the team, you can find replacements of inspire and poppin fairly easily

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Kampfervl

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And who tf need a insta lock yoru in every single map, he can't and there is no way any t1 team gonna want that kind

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wuk1nGg

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fax

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Kampfervl

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Bruh they are just shit without cane and gold shit with cane

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oliv-

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buddy u are not finding another canezerra

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Saikko

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cane and ion are too young to play t1 next yr even if they win ascension.

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Kriatzy

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Cane and ion are under 18 cane is 17 and I think ion is 16 so even if they win ascension they can't play in t1

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wearesocookedchat

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amer weakest region anyway, wakeup sheeple it's time to realize the truth

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Red2TPower

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you forgot about africa

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bobwoblob

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your best player is pr0m00. I wouldn't be talking

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wearesocookedchat

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i dont take opinions from blowjob

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bobwoblob

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silence pr0m00 glazer

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wearesocookedchat

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bro stop upvoting yourself to seem like you sayin good stuff 🥀🥀

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moriii_

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TSM is good but then they started playing troll ranked comps..

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Ronyko23

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Anything is better than 2G imo.

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bobwoblob

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Teams will stabilize for stage 3. And I think T2 teams will definitely start taking risks on roster changes to try to upgrade as much as possible. Considering there's only 1 spot going into T1, there's no point of playing it safe imo.

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GarbanzoEnjoyer

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EXL is gonna ascend anyway tbh NA tier 2 just needs to focus on itself rn

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bobwoblob

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even with virty they weren't winning.