This Kick Off format makes no sense

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skibidiyesyes

I saw someone else make a post about it but this shit is still crazy. Why didn't NRG or LOUD have a map veto advantage vs SEN who lost two matches so far? Like in Grand Finals of events, the upper bracket winners have a map veto advantage against the lower bracket winners, because they're rewarded for not losing. SEN lost two series' yet entered the playoffs with no disadvantage, not even in the finals against LOUD. Are Riot throwing away the upper bracket advantage for future tournaments now?

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Simp4S0m

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NRG had the advantage tho

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skibidiyesyes

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No they didn't? Unless you mean the unofficial advantage which is a week break, which really isn't an advantage thats worth enough in this scenario.

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Simp4S0m

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Sen banned a map first and NRG had the advantage to choose the last map between Lotus and Split

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skibidiyesyes

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That's not what the map veto advantage is at all lol. That's not even an advantage anyways to begin with, look at the picks and bans for this series for reference https://www.vlr.gg/220448/fnatic-vs-evil-geniuses-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-gf

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Zerphyr1

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NRG were team B so yes they had an advantage in the map vetos

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Simp4S0m

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Oh you mean two maps ban lol mb. But didn't they only do this on bo5?

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skibidiyesyes

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SEN don't ban anything, that's the advantage.

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That's fucked on a bo3 tho lol

#14

skibidiyesyes

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Not really? They can make it work.

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THIS.

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i thought the format was fine other than single elim for playoffs and having it bo3 instead of bo5 if it was single elim.

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KRATOSmimir21

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??? Theres no upper/lower bracket bruh

Teams who didnt lose got to take a longer break to prepare and watch opposing team VODs. SEN had to play way more since they lost which is a disadvantage

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skibidiyesyes

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Again that's quite literally not an advantage if the opposing team can afford to lose TWO MATCHES in this tournament. NRG are gone after their 1st loss, SEN can afford to stay after two.

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KRATOSmimir21

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Sure it sucks they went after 1 loss

But the format is teams get a chance to get out of groups, and then from there u have to perform. The good teams are the consistent ones

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skibidiyesyes

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How on earth is losing twice = consistent. It is literally the opposite.

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KRATOSmimir21

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NRG knew the stakes

Also how do u think they would have given a map advantage to LOUD/EG since both came from groups

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skibidiyesyes

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The team that gets SEN = gets the map advantage. If NRG couldn't get it then there's no reason as to why LOUD couldn't considering they won literally every match to reach the final, whereas SEN dropped two. LOUD are also gone after their 1st loss as SEN are crowned winners, it doesn't make sense.

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KRATOSmimir21

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So NRG is just supposed to get an advantage while EG vs LOUD plays normally? All because a random draw gave NRG to play SEN?

#20

skibidiyesyes

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I'm only saying that its unfair for NRG because there shouldn't be a scenario where a team that can afford to lose two matches can be on equal footing in an elimination match to a team that hasn't lost yet, it's why the format doesn't make sense. You're thinking as if the format itself is absolute when I'm upfront disagreeing with it.

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KRATOSmimir21

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Aight sure u can

Im just saying u cant give any advantages to anyone

The only best solution is to have a lower bracket

#22

Warlordwibz

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there shouldn't be a scenario where a team that can afford to lose two matches can be on equal footing in an elimination match to a team that hasn't lost yet

PRX beat GenG already, GenG shouldn’t have won playins, shouldn’t beat DRX and shouldn’t have a revenge match and win against PRX in final. That’s crazy.

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skibidiyesyes

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Are you brain dead because that's not what I'm arguing about at all. I don't want the entire tournament to be single elimination genius, read my post.

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Eileenleen

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Never in vct history a team got a map veto advantage after making out of groups. It was playoffs, not a grand finale. Wtf you on about. Once everyone is in playoffs everything is reset. There were 3 groups winners, by your logic both EG and Loud should've gotten a map veto advantage too, but they went against each other so now what? LMAO

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see #20 bro, we both know that it's unfair for a team to win a tournament with two losses whereas the rest in the playoffs are out after receiving their FIRST loss. LOUD losing their first series shouldn't cost them the title like it's LOCK//IN against SEN that lost twice lol. I'm only comparing it with the UB and LB in other tourneys because it's the same issue.