this would be my tierlist:
TIER S: GUARD - G2 - OPTIC
TIER A: LOUD - PRX - ZETA - DRX - LIQUID
TIER B: LEV - KRU - XERXIA - FNATIC
TIER C: NIP
I think NIP doesn't beat LEV.
what would your tier list be?
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NG1nS [#17]TIER S: GUARD - G2 - OPTIC - LOUD
TIER A: FNATIC - PRX - LIQUID - KRU
TIER B: LEV - ZETA - XERXIA
TIER C: NIP
fnatic at tier a only bcz of the stand ins
I don't think LOUD is tier S because they haven't shown up on a LAN yet.
yuri_tarded [#18]TIER S: G2 - LOUD - OPTIC strong teams
TIER A: GUARD - PRX - XERXIA - ZETA big hopes
TIER B: DRX - LIQUID - KRU chokers
TIER C: LEVIATHAN - FNATIC
Asian region teams are being underestimated.
NG1nS [#17]TIER S: GUARD - G2 - OPTIC - LOUD
TIER A: FNATIC - PRX - LIQUID - KRU
TIER B: LEV - ZETA - XERXIA
TIER C: NIP
fnatic at tier a only bcz of the stand ins
Without derkeps fnatic barely tier 2.5 team
mszinvlr [#16]Why? Do I want plausible reasons, or is it just xenophobia?
No, I think there should be a D with Paper and Xerxia. Brazil teams choked in 2021 that's why I put Loud in B my friend :).
this would be my tierlist:
Deep playoff run: Guard, Optic, KRU
Has potential: Fnatic, G2, LOUD, PRX, DRX
No playoffs: LEV, TL, ZETA, Xerxia
D Tier: RIP... NIP, I mean.
I do think Lev beat NIP to give KRU the playoffs slot. KRU seemed off during the season though, maybe due to the keznit issues - maybe they'll be back in form for another deep run. Can't count them out.
Fnatic playing with potentially 2 subs, only 1 confirmed for now puts them down a tier for me, if I'm ranking the tiers as I did.
mszinvlr [#19]I don't think LOUD is tier S because they haven't shown up on a LAN yet.
well i mean i put them there thinking that they'll perform on lan as they did online
kobs_0 [#25]this would be my tierlist:
Deep playoff run: Guard, Optic, KRU
Has potential: Fnatic, G2, LOUD, PRX, DRX
No playoffs: LEV, TL, ZETA, Xerxia
D Tier: RIP... NIP, I mean.
I do think Lev beat NIP to give KRU the playoffs slot. KRU seemed off during the season though, maybe due to the keznit issues - maybe they'll be back in form for another deep run. Can't count them out.
Fnatic playing with potentially 2 subs, only 1 confirmed for now puts them down a tier for me, if I'm ranking the tiers as I did.
I didn't see APAC, KR, JP and LATAM games so i just wanna talk about the teams that people are overrating: Liquid, Fnatic The Guard and Optic.
It's not like I hate all NA and EMEA teams. Let me explain:
I do think that EMEA is the top region, but 2 of the 3 best teams are in deep trouble with their players (Fnatic and FPX) and Liquid didn't play well in Masters qualifiers. But I do think that G2 deserves TIER S.
NA teams are good but they beat NA biggest teams the same way EMEA teams did in Champions, so I think that they are all in TIER A, with Liquid and Fnatic.
BONUS: I did watch brazillian teams, but the one measure that we can use are comparing matches like: FUR x SEN, VKS x GMB and VK x ACE in Champions and then LOUD x VK, LOUD x FUR, LOUD x NIP and NIP x FUR in VCT BR. I see that BR teams are getting way better, and I'm cheering for LOUD (personally i think that they will be like TIER A), but we don't have sufficient data to place both BR teams in a tierlist.
andrewdamf [#3]guard g2 liquid
fnatic loud
DRX kru zeta
Prx xerxia
Nip lev
How can you have KRU so much higher than LEV when LEV took them to 5 maps
SUPREMOCOC [#24]No, I think there should be a D with Paper and Xerxia. Brazil teams choked in 2021 that's why I put Loud in B my friend :).
translation: "i dont actually watch these teams play i just rate them based on how teams from their region played in the past"
i dont care where you rate LOUD but dont use your reasoning as "BR choked last year" when those were completely different teams
SUPREMOCOC [#24]No, I think there should be a D with Paper and Xerxia. Brazil teams choked in 2021 that's why I put Loud in B my friend :).
they are teams with different mentalities and players.
NG1nS [#26]well i mean i put them there thinking that they'll perform on lan as they did online
I understand, I believe in the same, but less is very young and he hasn't had a LAN in his career yet, but he is a dedicated and very serious person I think this can weigh a lot on LAN
kobs_0 [#25]this would be my tierlist:
Deep playoff run: Guard, Optic, KRU
Has potential: Fnatic, G2, LOUD, PRX, DRX
No playoffs: LEV, TL, ZETA, Xerxia
D Tier: RIP... NIP, I mean.
I do think Lev beat NIP to give KRU the playoffs slot. KRU seemed off during the season though, maybe due to the keznit issues - maybe they'll be back in form for another deep run. Can't count them out.
Fnatic playing with potentially 2 subs, only 1 confirmed for now puts them down a tier for me, if I'm ranking the tiers as I did.
I was a little out of date about the FNATIC team I didn't know they had substitutes, thanks for letting me know friend
Mortadelo [#2]KRU > PRX
Why do you think that? PRX has made a pretty solid walk up to these masters. kru did the opposite but still a very strong team
WhitBR [#27]I didn't see APAC, KR, JP and LATAM games so i just wanna talk about the teams that people are overrating: Liquid, Fnatic The Guard and Optic.
It's not like I hate all NA and EMEA teams. Let me explain:
I do think that EMEA is the top region, but 2 of the 3 best teams are in deep trouble with their players (Fnatic and FPX) and Liquid didn't play well in Masters qualifiers. But I do think that G2 deserves TIER S.NA teams are good but they beat NA biggest teams the same way EMEA teams did in Champions, so I think that they are all in TIER A, with Liquid and Fnatic.
BONUS: I did watch brazillian teams, but the one measure that we can use are comparing matches like: FUR x SEN, VKS x GMB and VK x ACE in Champions and then LOUD x VK, LOUD x FUR, LOUD x NIP and NIP x FUR in VCT BR. I see that BR teams are getting way better, and I'm cheering for LOUD (personally i think that they will be like TIER A), but we don't have sufficient data to place both BR teams in a tierlist.
Vou falar português com voce, mano eu acho que os americanos estão muito fortes para esse masters devido ao Chamber deles que são muito fortes, com o EMEA eu concordo porém LIQUID e muito forte e pode dar muito trabalho nesse masters, as regiões asiáticas estão sendo muito subestimadas creio que faram grandes campanhas nesse masters e nesse ano.
mszinvlr [#33]Why do you think that? PRX has made a pretty solid walk up to these masters. kru did the opposite but still a very strong team
KRU has trolled 1 game, everyone has a bad day (the one without Keznit does not count). Other than that Kru has already proven they have what it takes, meanwhile PRX hasn't yet
WhitBR [#27]I didn't see APAC, KR, JP and LATAM games so i just wanna talk about the teams that people are overrating: Liquid, Fnatic The Guard and Optic.
It's not like I hate all NA and EMEA teams. Let me explain:
I do think that EMEA is the top region, but 2 of the 3 best teams are in deep trouble with their players (Fnatic and FPX) and Liquid didn't play well in Masters qualifiers. But I do think that G2 deserves TIER S.NA teams are good but they beat NA biggest teams the same way EMEA teams did in Champions, so I think that they are all in TIER A, with Liquid and Fnatic.
BONUS: I did watch brazillian teams, but the one measure that we can use are comparing matches like: FUR x SEN, VKS x GMB and VK x ACE in Champions and then LOUD x VK, LOUD x FUR, LOUD x NIP and NIP x FUR in VCT BR. I see that BR teams are getting way better, and I'm cheering for LOUD (personally i think that they will be like TIER A), but we don't have sufficient data to place both BR teams in a tierlist.
Liquid played well OVERALL but they always have that one day where they completely shit the bed
Mortadelo [#35]KRU has trolled 1 game, everyone has a bad day (the one without Keznit does not count). Other than that Kru has already proven they have what it takes, meanwhile PRX hasn't yet
Got it, good point but I think without ONUR they will never be what they were.
mszinvlr [#37]Got it, good point but I think without ONUR they will never be what they were.
Fair enough, I guess we’ll just see
gutszeraa [#29]translation: "i dont actually watch these teams play i just rate them based on how teams from their region played in the past"
i dont care where you rate LOUD but dont use your reasoning as "BR choked last year" when those were completely different teams
LOUD is composed of past teams. I don't want to get dissapointed for a 4th time. And of course, I don't watch tier 3 regions.
Fnatic (if they have derke), G2
TL, Guard
Optic, Loud, KRU, DRX, Leviatan
Zeta, PRX, Xerxia
I have seen all regions and KRU and Leviatan (I expect them to beat NIP easily ngl) are top, they play really well, APAC is doomed they are shit, EMEA I might be biased but I feel like every team that was in Playoffs could win VCT in any other region, NA has 2 good teams but I dont like Optic honestly I dont think they play that well sometimes but Guard are incredible, Loud have potential to win it all but those things take time so if they are able to beat teams like KRU, DRX and Optic they should be happy, Zeta looked really good to me in grand final and for sure better than APAC teams but Japan is pretty shit overrall so its a different game playing well against bots and doing it against the best in the world.
Also honestly I feel like Gambit and FPX are the two best teams in the world together with Fnatic so its a shame that they are not in Masters, maybe this way the other regions have a chance and makes the tournament a bit more interesting
yuri_tarded [#18]TIER S: G2 - LOUD - OPTIC strong teams
TIER A: GUARD - PRX - XERXIA - ZETA big hopes
TIER B: DRX - LIQUID - KRU chokers
TIER C: LEVIATHAN - FNATIC
ZETA PRX & XIA above DRX is a bit shaky tbh, imo they are on the same level, or DRX is higher. Just because DRX still hold the throne amongst Asian teams.
WinterZ [#40]S TIER: G2, The Guard
A TIER: OpTic Gaming, Team Liquid, LOUD, Fnatic
B TIER: Paper Rex, Xerxia Esports, KRU Esports, DRX
C TIER: NiP, ZETA Division, Leviatan
why would DRX be tier D?
BirdB0i [#41]TIER S: GUARD - G2 - OPTIC - FNATIC
TIER A: KRU - DRX - LIQUID
TIER B: LOUD-XERXIA-LEVIATHAN-PRX
TIER Z (Absolute shit) : ZETA-NIP
Why do you think APAC is so bad? Did you watch the VCT APAC final?
mszinvlr [#48]why would DRX be tier D?
poor performance in champs. Doubt they can recover. I could be wrong tho
Noyn [#51]S - G2, TGRD, OPTC
A - LOUD, DRX, PRX
B - Liquid, Fnatic, KRU
C- NIP, Xerxia
D- Zeta
Zeta está tão ruim assim?
WinterZ [#52]poor performance in champs. Doubt they can recover. I could be wrong tho
DRX has been together for a longer time and has a good tactic in my opinion, I believe they are superior to NIP or LEV at this point.
WinterZ [#52]poor performance in champs. Doubt they can recover. I could be wrong tho
They had the hardest group by far though
mszinvlr [#16]Why? Do I want plausible reasons, or is it just xenophobia?
lmao he went straight to use the racist card
harriman [#57]S: G2, TGRD, OG
A: TL, LOUD, FNC
B: DRX, KRU, PRX
C: XIA, ZETA, LEV
Xia and ZETA are that bad? Not in my opinion. Why do you think that?
mszinvlr [#61]Xia and ZETA are that bad? Not in my opinion. Why do you think that?
Who said I think they're bad? I think every team in this tournament is extremely skilled and capable of winning games. I just think on paper other teams either have more firepower or have better coordination and strategy. I actually really think Zeta has improved since last time and I hope they can win a game.
harriman [#59]They had the hardest group by far though
u are actually right. I think ill bump them up to Bottom B
Mortadelo [#2]KRU > PRX
I don't know if KRU will be good as they were, that comp with phoenix made lose expectations on them
yuri_tarded [#18]TIER S: G2 - LOUD - OPTIC strong teams
TIER A: GUARD - PRX - XERXIA - ZETA big hopes
TIER B: DRX - LIQUID - KRU chokers
TIER C: LEVIATHAN - FNATIC
No Loud isn't S tier by any mean that's completely madness
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