When it comes to picking talent they are one of the worst
last year they picked miniboo and wayne and look how that tuned out to be
This year they did a decent job with kachoww and had 2 months to pick a smokes player and they landed on koala that was being LFT for months and no tier 1 team looked his way so its obviously a desperate move from them
When you see teams like fnc,m8,th picking five insane players at ones and trialing whomever they want and pick and choose while lohan is pulling a desperate move like this months later...
Im so done
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what if they didn't even trial again like with wayne lol
Exactly😭
brother i just think they were getting keiko and at the end it didnt work out
Keiko wasnt even lft until like 2 weeks ago. Where were they when serious orgs were making moves?
I mean with what nAts tweeted keiko was pretty close to signing for liquid but sen gave him the bag I guess
My point is why didnt they make moves waay before until thwy had one option left
Yea fairs I agree with that, they did sign kachoww very early too
Fuck keiko while were at it
nice duplicate message
Im so pissed bro😔
oml dude gsr and kamo were teasing him for so long just for him to go to SEN im actually tilted
absolute snake smh
Biggest snake ever
playing at champs
used up all their budget on magnus
did they convince magnus to show up in negotiations of kachowww or smth
i think we lost a bidding war for keiko and he joined sen
and i think we offered kachoww hell of alot of money
Its not a bidding war. Kamo said on stream he didnt want to join Tl cus of going 1/2 5 times in a row
source : trust me bro
to be fair, wayne was the top player in subreg and top #1 in r2.0 on vlr (not that it means much )
Trying FNC crashies type shi. Let's see if this works
this isn't true at all.
What part of it isnt
lohan and Yao are amazing at scouting, not only that but miniboo and Wayne were exceptional during kickoff, they just simply struggled with mentality and homesickness respectively
I don't like the koala move either, but hopefully it's just for a trial or smth. worst case scenario, we have him playing smokes, and then we at least have a dedicated op player. hes also a very vocal player and might help activate the rookies.
lohan and Yao have done insurmountable work with players that people thought were beyond salvageable, so lets at least wait and see what happens
im still not happy tho, that part we share.
Im.not denying their work im just questioning why would they get unwanted players in every window instead of going for actual proven players this time around so they dont have to pull those gimmick comps that are enough to make internationals but not enough to even make playoffs
brother they are the best at taking mid rosters to intls maybe thats their thing
Exactly and this summer they had the chance to sign a good roster to try to win or go deep in tournaments
My bad they only wanted to take mid rosters and go out 1/2
you have to think liquid gave them abudget they anit the owners
they have to make best with what they have
Legit almost every lft player is F/A so all they could think about is salary wise no contracts involved. I think theyre just lazy🥱
got kamo while no one wanted him look where he is now
dawg wayne is not a bad player by any means LMAOOOOO. he just didn't work out for them. He absolutely had flashes of brilliance if you watched the games.
those who remember wayne 1v3 against fnc on abyss
fuck all this bro he had 8-9 clutches in t1, i just remember the pookies on dsg-kk era and mtv era
i cant lie he was pretty bad for most of the games he had like few clutches but amid that he was constant bottom fragger on the team
thats because tl was a very different system than what he was used to, he was going equal or better against prime xavi in t2 who worked out well for GE as a fragging igl
wayne was shit apart from in 1v3s
literally 0 impact outside of clutches
I mean it's a shame he didn't play all that well that too with minimal pracc due to visa issues. But otherwise IMO the dude is insane. Been watching him since his X10 days. On Motiv he was a aggressive smokes/yoru player which was insanely fun to watch
y'all ungrateful mfrs really be acting like Kachoww and GSR don't exist. I agree that they fumbled by not getting an actual IGL but I hate how y'all are talking as if this team wasn't fucking stacked already
the problem is they leaned too heavily into firepower and left little in the calling department. there's an argument to be made that if you hard commit enough in one direction to the point you have best in the region levels (which they probably would have with keiko) that it is okay to ignore the other component (not an argument i agree with but w/e), hence why if +keiko the firepower could paper over the cracks. koala doesn't really add much firepower, he has kinda weird roles (if hes perma omen hes not going to be able to op as much, if hes scan same problem), and he doesn't add anything in the calling department. it's like they just picked up an average player that doesn't actually address any of their problems
Exacrly i wouldve actually preffered iluri and put gsr on smokes
should have gotten Iluri to role switch to smokes and let nats free from the calling burden imo. I agree that koalanoob isn't a very good pickup but they were pbb pretty confident that Keiko could join and got fucked over by Sen with very few options left. Either way they built a strong roster but circumstances limitated them heavily, doesn't look like it's their fault at all
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