Pacific slot per cups

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KR : 3
JP : 3
PH-MY-SG-MN-TW-CB : 2
TH : 1
ID : 1
VN : 1
LCQ : 1

This is absolutely INSANE, SA and OCE are 2 separate scrimpool, they should have 1 direct slot each... Even WORSE every team will have to chance to qualify (Their subregion + LCQ) BUT India and OCE will not. This is absolutely unfair and will just kill Val in thoose 2 region, this make absolutely no sens at all while Japan got THREE FUCKING SLOT, this is utterly insane, in term of premier team SA is already at the same level than JP, TR and BR, even fucking MENA got a direct slot IN KICKOFF the tournament where only 4 teams are qualified., this is maddenning. I know APAC is a big region, but at this point, better split in 2. At least remove 1 slot from JP and give it to IN (Or make the seed 3 of JP and KR play each other for the East-Asia 5th spot)

Congo1

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SA and oce are too bad and dont even have crazy viewership

Anguibok

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Japan had 3 despite being also bad, I understand because of view it's important JP got at least 1.5 or 2 slot, but 3 is absolutely insane, while India got potential, and you cant fuck a whole region just like that...

Congo1

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"potential". Bro there are hard numbers for japan that are insane. Not just imagined potential.

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Anguibok

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Ofc nobody will watch in India if they are no Indian team, this is just snowballing negatively, in 2021 Indian team was able to beat top 3/5 Korean team, and now after 4 years of 0 experience of proplay, India is just becoming irrelevant

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SleepyBear

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u cant even beat SEA bro top korean team my ass

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Kasstne

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They Premier team was not even good

SleepyBear

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POTENTIAL 🤣✌

im hearing this shit since 2021 or sum shit, cut the bullshit your whole region is bum ass

given the same opportunities and slots throughout 4 years of franchise, they even gave GE a fucking slot in Pacific (does not even deserve it btw)
not a single good player, there is no progress in the region whatsoever
cry for being bad
repeat

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Big-Bot-Brim

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they even gave GE a fucking slot in Pacific (does not even deserve it btw)

whos gonna tell the ragebaiting bum

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SleepyBear

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Ugly logo, ugly jersey, ugly names, cringe ass slogan cry about it

riquepickem

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why does heretics get a spot in pacific

windedjoy

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SA & OCE have more chances or the same chances as they had this year
Korea and Japan do not participate in LCQ
I do not understand your obsession with premier teams - SA is by FAR worse than Brazil and Turkey dont kid yourself; also MENA have 1 slot out of 12 kickoff teams, with 26 teams in the OQ

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Anguibok

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SA & OCE have more chances or the same chances as they had this year

Nope, last year SA and OCE would have to face 2 T2 team in LCQ, this years they will probably have to face 14 teams that are from Tier 1.

Korea and Japan do not participate in LCQ

True, but they have litterally 3 slot that give them so mush Margin, we should have an LCQ for the seed 3 for Japan and Korea, so it's free a spot for India.

I do not understand your obsession with premier teams

It's the only reliable data that we have when it's come to estimate playerpool i'm afraid, that and esportchart for views.

SA is by FAR worse than Brazil and Turkey dont kid yourself;

I agree with that, and thats pretty normal based on how TR and BR best player have access to Tier 1 games, while India don't, India was able to beat the top 3/5 in 2021, but now... I definitly don't think they have any chance against top 3/5 of Korea, gap is increasing because India doesnt have access to cups/T1

also MENA have 1 slot out of 12 kickoff teams, with 26 teams in the OQ

1 slot for India would have been enough for me. I dont ask for 19, just 1 so they can have at least a little

You are fro Kazakhstan, I'm from Europe, I would give the EU 8th slot to Central Asia without any doubt, cause every scrimpool should have at least 1 slot.

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windedjoy

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LCQ for Kickoff is #2 SEA, #1 SA, #2 SA, #1 OCE and LCQ for Cups have 8 teams including #1 & #2 SA, and #1 OCE - so yes it is more chances, do some research
Korea had 5 teams in franchising and the only non-Korean APAC team with a trophy is PRX - 3 teams is actually a DOWNGRADE!! Japan yes you could argue they should have only 1-2 teams but they have like the 2nd highest viewership so Riot wont do that
The only thing I could find about SA beating any APAC teams is their win against DAMWON Gaming, which was an SkRossi life game - that is NOT a good showing; also they need to earn spots, if they cant even hit rank 1 in APAC ranked why would they get a chance??
I GAVE YOU A RELIABLE SOURCE OF OPEN QUALIFIERS PLAYERPOOL (for the 1876284628th time)
I wouldnt give Central Asia an 8th slot in Europe - firstly only Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan are EU; secondly I can name 3 tier1-2 Kazakh players in dos9, xexxar and sultan

I think you need to do some research and stop spewing nonsense. Thoughts?

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Anguibok

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LCQ for Cups have 8 teams including #1 & #2 SA, and #1 OCE - so yes it is more chances, do some research

I didnt had this info : even with that data it was 50% of team before, and now it's only of teams 37%, with still 25% of team passing, (And probably overall better teams, For exemple they did fought the seed 3 of TH this year, they are gonna fight theseed 2 of TH now). So no it's still a decreasing from last year split 2 and an harder path.

Korea had 5 teams in franchising and the only non-Korean APAC team with a trophy is PRX - 3 teams is actually a DOWNGRADE!! Japan yes you could argue they should have only 1-2 teams but they have like the 2nd highest viewership so Riot wont do that

I do agree with that, KR could deserve 5, if they where part of EMEA instead of TR, I would call for 5 slot for KR for exemple, but in APAC it's not possible because they are too many player and too many regions (Twice more player and region than AMER for exemple if you take soloQ data), I do think Pacific (KR+JP+OCE+MN+TW+ Far East Russia) and Asia (SEA+IN+ Probably ME to make it alittle bit more stack.) maybe should have been 2 different cups. But since it's not split, 3 for KR is fince. 2 would have been a great compromise for JP.

he only thing I could find about SA beating any APAC teams is their win against DAMWON Gaming

We dont have a lot of data for IN play against KR team, but I'm pretty sure the gap between top 3 KR and top 1 IN has increased, wish is not what we should want.

I GAVE YOU A RELIABLE SOURCE OF OPEN QUALIFIERS PLAYERPOO

What ?? What source, you give me a data of MENA without a source. Last time someone gave me a "trust me source" (a twitter link) I did ask the question to the twittos if the list of team they gave was all the team that register and the person say no and doesnt have the exact number of teams. And the MENA data isnt even relevant when we are talking about... India ? Mena having one direct slot despite have something like 10 times less player than India that doest have one direct slot should ring a bell.

I wouldnt give Central Asia an 8th slot in Europe - firstly only Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan are EU; secondly I can name 3 tier1-2 Kazakh players in dos9, xexxar and sultan

The point is to put Kaz and Kyr out of Europe, in a new Subregion called central Asia, alongside other central Asian region that are put with Turkey, maybe they would not be good at the start, but they are no doubt they would increase if they have tier 1 time.

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windedjoy

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all of these points can be refuted quite easily but im not gonna waste my time because you'll respond with "but the PREMIER DATA SHOWS that SA should have 15 slots because theyre better than LOUD omgomgomg !!!"

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Anguibok

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Nice strawman, while i'm requesting only for 1 slot with no LCQ wish would mean lower than any other APAC region (Against the 0.25 they currently have).

You have absolutely no data about MENA having more play, more team or even more OQ team than India. You dont, because that dont exist, India is a bigger val scene than MENA, MENA have 1 slot, India have 0.125 slot they are nothing that can justify that.

Plus this is a question of logic : Any scrimpool should have access to Tier 1, if not they are getting snowballed because the best player of scrimpool doesnt access to top level game.

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windedjoy

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SA doesnt deserve a partnered slot after GE left

they dont have a bigger fanbase, they dont have a larger highelo playerbase, they dont have richer orgs than Japan or Korea, they cant even beat OCE

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Anguibok

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I'm saying that Japan have 3 slots, SA have 0.25 slot. Japan have x12 the number of slot India have... JAPAN DOESNT have x12 the number of highELO playerbase, they dont have x12 the number of org, and they dont have x12 oif view. and that ommiting the "growth or market" analysis when India is a market booming wish is not JP case.

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windedjoy

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Japan has WAY more viewers and WAY richer orgs

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Anguibok

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Is it x12 ?

continue thread →

riquepickem

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SA is already at the same level than JP, TR and BR

what drug did you use

Anguibok

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I litterally generate Premier data that are the only data we can use when we talk about APAC and EMEA.

Currently based on premier data (excluding China) :

EU 25,1%
KR 13,9%
NA 11,6%
Asia 9,8%
LAS 7,5%
SA 6,8%
TR 6,6%
BR 6,4%
JP 6,3%
LAN 3,4%
OCE 1,8%
MENA 0,9%

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hoboclap

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more players doesnt equal on par with the region in skill.

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Anguibok

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Yup, thats exactly why they need more spot, because they will never progress if they cant access to T1 despite having the number

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hoboclap

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SA has 2 slots in LCQ and OCE has 1.
Both regions arent good enough at valorant currently to warrant having a direct slot, especially over the other SEA slots or even EA slots

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Anguibok

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That mean 0.25 slot and 0.125 slots in cups, while Japan have x24

If they arent good enough thats because they have notime in tier 1. Give them time in tier 1 and theywill improve.

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hoboclap

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they had chances with Global and ascension.
But global decided AI was better

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Anguibok

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Global betreyes, yes, and about asention, it's hard to compete agains ta region thet have ex-T1 player in it

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hoboclap

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Then they should have improved against those players, but they didnt.

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Anguibok

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The whole Valorant India doesnt have to suffer for GE company, they didnt choose to get represent by GE

continue thread →

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Warlordwibz

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6 East Asia + 6 South East Asia = Fair.

KR learn the last time their region got monopolised by teams, KR player move to JP & NA just for a chance of making internationals (Meteor/Munchkin JP & XETA/Saya NA). With China existing now, more KR will leave to China because SA & OCE wasting chances year after year.

Get OCE to kill their Fortnite and CS scene like what Epic Games & Valve did to Asia.
Get South Asia to kill mobile gaming scene and focus on valo.
THEN talk about getting opportunity.

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Anguibok

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I'm fine with 3 slot for KR, my main problem is 3 for Japan (25%) while SA/OCE have 0, wish is a LOT for a region that never went to inter.

because SA & OCE wasting chances year after year.

I disagree with that. GE did waste SA chance, but India isnt the cause. OCE never get their chance, they didnt get allowed to play in 2021 despite their top 2 that should have play with NA LCQ, they never had chance to play into Tier 1 and because of that their best player are playing as import everywhere wish is sad.

Maybe with 16 slot we would have both a better format AND a better slot allocation, +1 OCE, +1 IN, +1 KR, +1 LCQ SEA would solve so many issues.

But maybe the main problem with APAC is that their playerpool is twice bigger than Americas and are still one unique region, sometime I just wish we have Asia, and Pacific that get split.

Pacific :

KR : 5
JP : 3
MN(+TW ? + East CIS ?) : 1
OCE : 1
EA LCQ : 2

Asia :

TH : 1
PH : 1
MY : 1
ID : 1
VN : 1
SEA LCQ : 4
IN : 2
ME : 1 (Yeah give them ME, to make the region a little bit more stack, and in EU give their slot to North Africa and Subsahara Africa)

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Not1

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The region already overspent on the game considering what riot did for the region.
Have jpn teams play in lcq , the seed 2 and 3 won't even make it out. I agree sa is bad so not having direct slot make sense. But what make u think that 60 percent of the t2 talent pool of Pacific play lcq for only 1 spot whereas jpn enjoys 3 direct slots. Atleast provide 2 slots to lcq .

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number1_sevenglazer