Lets be real agents like phoenix and neon def need to get nerfed
id say phoenix 1 flash rechargeable or 2 flashes no rechargeable so like the old phoenix
For neon i think neon needs to be reworked completly i dont have a design in mind but if we try to nerf her around her current kid their will always be some issue rework her but keep her design about speed and like that somehow
that and riot needs to buff sentinels and balance initiators
and then they need to add AGENTS BANS
agent bans not in comp tho in pro yea but i wouldnt like that in comp bc i feel like they dont have enough agents for alot of variety + ranked 1 tricks would have huge issues Ä
Sent and ini buffs and nerfs i havent made my mind around so i cant say anything to that
fucking over one tricks isnt a bad thing
makes players actually have wider agents pools and forces them to actually be better at the game instead of being one tricks
i mean yea but first of all it would make streamer way more vunerable to stream snipes for example eggster yk your in the same lobby insta yoru ban.
The problem is with that is lets take me as an example am a waylay 1 trick am having fun on the agent etc etc grinding and suddently my agent gets banned and am forced to play something which am not having fun on meaning i play worse most likely
congrats you have successfully destroyed the whole game
50% of pros were 1 tricks at some point
most adapt AFTER becoming pros
some people wouldnt have a job as soon as ppl started banning SOVA every match right???
agent bans is a terrible idea as the meta agents will get banned ever fucking time
I don’t think we have enough characters to start banning tbh once we reach LOL or R6 levels then we should add it
riot has stated a few years back that theyd probably add agent bans once we get 30+ agents. (im pretty sure they have)
we currently have 29 agents in the game
riot adds a new agent in the offseason and also adds agent bans along with it
and 30 is enough come on be fr
If you just think about it for one second it’s obvious how dumb of an idea it is.
Like just imagine what the level of play will be when every team will have to practice 5 different comps on each and every map
except that you ignore the fact that there are many popular games that have agent bans (LOL, R6, APEX, OW2, MARVEL RIVALS) where this isnt a problem and it works well
yea but how many agents to they have in the game yk
LOL = 173
R6 = 79
APex= cant even ban there no ?
OW2= 53
MV = 53
Val has 29
Except for maybe R6 those games are not comparable to Valorant, they are completely different genres and the way agent bans impact them is completely different from how it would impact Val. As for R6 I simply don’t know enough about it to say anything
saying that phoenix needs to be nerfed should say everything about the state of the game.
meta is shit but doesnt constitute nerfs, they need to buff sentinels and make other duelists more viable, maybe even buffing initiators back to where they were would also help
kind of a yes and no
okay um so what about finden a mid level so buffing all duelist a little in their own way and nerfing neon and phoenix to the same level so they are all on the save level what do you think about that ?
I cant really say anything about ini and senti buffs i havent really thought about that
if yoru and kayo were still at where they were before 11.08 phoenix wouldnt even be played, which proves that its more about the fact that most of the agents are just too shit to play over phoenix a lot of the time
yoru is better than phoenix, so is kayo, but the thing is that phoenix just allows for more in this shitty meta, which means that the real problem that needs to be addressed falls within fixing other agents and not the meta ones
makes sense so your saying instead of nerfing the meta ones buff the other ones so they can keep up ?
i like the idea yea i can agree problem is how are we doing that without making other agents to strong
Nah, just slow the speed of Phoenix's flashes. And Neon is lowkey needing a full rework
idk how much slowing the phoenix flash would change it but its worth a try def they are way to fast i completly agree with the neon take
The TenZ patch is where everything went wrong, just revert it and the meta will be fine again
Everyone talking about nerf/reworking neon but what would you do that doesn’t destroy the agents identity
like i said rework her in a way that her kit is still around that speed yk i assosiate neon with speed so reworking her kid around that would be great i think and change alot.
Yk the yoru rework back in the day i think neon needs something like that
Phoenix is fine, he’s already getting kind of displaced by yoru. Neon needs to be reworked entirely
nah phoenix is still op you see him everywhere yoru is only displacing him on abyss really
make neon signature skill the stun and she will be good
nerf phoenix heal on his wall and lower the damage, just that
so she only has 1 slide ? i mean mhm idk but that wouldnt change the slide issue
with phoenix i dont think nerfing his will is what he needs his flashes are the issue
his flashes are fine, flashes are meant to be the most effective way to clear an angle
neon is not that broken ngl i dont see why people glaze her so much
bc her slide moves your whole crosshair
a) 90% of the time she kills you
b) the 10% you kill her you just instantly traded
his flashes should atleast be slower then tho if you say so i dont agree with leaving phoenix flashes like they are atm
almost every duelist agent have a skill that moves your whole crosshair lmao why neon wouldnt have that
bc neon can shoot during it jett can dash but not shoot waylay cant raze can kinda but is flying and inaccurate
neon shooting is not accurate
in the past, yes, it was broken, but not anymore
shes in a healthy spot now
yea ig that changes but still something feels to strong about it. it doesnt feel like a raze satchel or a jett dash waylay dash it feels stronger she is also picked over all of these agents so she has to be stronger in moving the crosshair
the neon thing was the multitude of things that she could do without being punished, including that fuckass bunnyhop
i just need them to make neon full sprint to be 10s from 16s, 16seconds running where everyone else gets butchered due to abilities massacre is kinda diabolical, she's used because she practically has the most ability out of other agents
I think that is probably one of the best ways to nerf her. It makes it so theirs more skill in breaking timings with her.
nerf duelists and/or buff sentinels; the meta is fine, imo, mostly, for initiators and controllers (of course, we need to rebalance initiators to ensure that all initiators get some play, rather than like just sova/fade/skye lol but at least every team has one). The real problem is the game is so fast nowadays after the cooldown nerfs that tenz asked for last year, and sentinels just are NOT able to stop the floods at all. Buff sentis and/or nerf duelists would fix this, not these useless "changes" that riot puts but litreally NOTHING has changed in the meta
i kinda agree with the senti one now yea but i dont think "duelist" in genereal are the problem bc alot dont even get played its more phoenix and neon so either we
a) buff all other duelist and agents to fit the meta and be playable no matter what
Or
B) nerf neon and phoenix and the meta agents so they are on the same level as all the other agents
i agree, which is why i said buff senti and/or nerf duelist, personally I think duelists need to just be rebalanced so they're more even and sentis just need a buff
yea i agree i was talking with other we said yo lets just bring all duelist to the level of phoenix and neon and same with all other roles and their meta chambs or buff in general
but the problem is how do we do that and not accidently buff anyone to hard
yea i agree makes sense yea
either that or yk nerf the ones but honestly buffing everyone would probally be better yea
Neon’s entire kit is amazing atm. The stun and wall are getting major impact, especially the stun it feels like you can just pop at any moment with a quick neon stun and phoenix flashes, they could make it to where neon needs to equip her stun like waylay and the wall takes a couple seconds to cascade out or cascade up or both
yea stun and wall are fine but the ult and slide are the problem am also fine with those 2 being reworked
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