no more clove, no more reyna, no more iso, no more chamber style agents
these characters have relatively low skill ceilings and perpetuate an anti teamwork environment, where selfish, self sufficient agents are rewarded over agents with teamplay capabilities
riot needs to stop designing ranked agents
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Chamber is not terrible in VCT as it fills in the sentinel gap for maps like breeze
Why don’t you pick a team play oriented agent and help enable your selfish teammates.
Sometimes I feel like I have more impact in on util heavy agents because I enable my team.
You ever had a really good breach / astra / viper (with more than 1 wall or lineup). They can takeover games
Paprika [#3]Chamber is not terrible in VCT as it fills in the sentinel gap for maps like breeze
the fact that a character
who's only value is enabling bad positioning, having a weak trip, and getting 2 free guns
is AT ALL viable in professional play over an actual sentinel with meaningful utility is insane
cypher is still viable on breeze, but chamber is in such a good state in this meta that a good chamber provides more value when the right player is on it
cypher has 10x the teamplay capability and utility ceiling than an agent like chamber
LouBag [#4]Why don’t you pick a team play oriented agent and help enable your selfish teammates.
Sometimes I feel like I have more impact in on util heavy agents because I enable my team.
You ever had a really good breach / astra / viper (with more than 1 wall or lineup). They can takeover games
this is a general observation on the direction of the game, not an indication that my game quality has suffered recently
if anything my recent games have been fine
serot [#6]this is a general observation on the direction of the game, not an indication that my game quality has suffered recently
if anything my recent games have been fine
They released miks and he is never played in pro play. I think it’s hard to make a util heavy agent that’s viable and not broken at a pro level.
serot [#5]the fact that a character
who's only value is enabling bad positioning, having a weak trip, and getting 2 free guns
is AT ALL viable in professional play over an actual sentinel with meaningful utility is insanecypher is still viable on breeze, but chamber is in such a good state in this meta that a good chamber provides more value when the right player is on it
cypher has 10x the teamplay capability and utility ceiling than an agent like chamber
Crazy that you aren’t recognizing chamber’s impact on overall game economy as a team play capability
serot [#6]this is a general observation on the direction of the game, not an indication that my game quality has suffered recently
if anything my recent games have been fine
A “ranked” agent hasn’t been released in 2+ years btw and they’ve also all been nerfed consistently
JonahPork [#8]Crazy that you aren’t recognizing chamber’s impact on overall game economy as a team play capability
not buying utility and guns to save money isn't the type of teamplay im looking for
JonahPork [#9]A “ranked” agent hasn’t been released in 2+ years btw and they’ve also all been nerfed consistently
miks isn't a "ranked" agent in the same way but it is a great example of similar unhealthy agent design
low skill ceiling, self healing utility, easy learning curve
its the boosted friend character
entire kit is effectively point and click support utility that is braindead easy to use
would you not agree that more impactful utility that rewards skill expression and agent mastery should be the direction of the game?
serot [#12]miks isn't a "ranked" agent in the same way but it is a great example of similar unhealthy agent design
low skill ceiling, self healing utility, easy learning curve
its the boosted friend character
entire kit is effectively point and click support utility that is braindead easy to usewould you not agree that more impactful utility that rewards skill expression and agent mastery should be the direction of the game?
most util is point and click for most agents
serot [#12]miks isn't a "ranked" agent in the same way but it is a great example of similar unhealthy agent design
low skill ceiling, self healing utility, easy learning curve
its the boosted friend character
entire kit is effectively point and click support utility that is braindead easy to usewould you not agree that more impactful utility that rewards skill expression and agent mastery should be the direction of the game?
as long as they don't overcook with multi-archetype characters they should be fine. agents that require some mechanical floor to be useful to the team on are also a form of "skill expression"
wintery [#13]most util is point and click for most agents
yes but in those cases the utility timing or positioning matters way more, which is a different form of skill expression
it doesnt really matter for a stim or for a heal
and the stun is a glorified breakable molly in practice
verybluepond [#14]as long as they don't overcook with multi-archetype characters they should be fine. agents that require some mechanical floor to be useful to the team on are also a form of "skill expression"
the game itself has a mechanical floor
nobody is practicing chamber specific aim, because aim translates to the entire game
Not right not wrong if riot keeps adding chars for vct nobody in ranked will pick them if riot keeps adding ranked agents they wont get played in vct the gap between ranked and vct is just to big they should do like 1 more vct focused agent with util and next 1 more ranked focused
Code28 [#17]Not right not wrong if riot keeps adding chars for vct nobody in ranked will pick them if riot keeps adding ranked agents they wont get played in vct the gap between ranked and vct is just to big they should do like 1 more vct focused agent with util and next 1 more ranked focused
no, there is a middle ground that does both
raze, jett, cypher, omen, were all popular ranked agents at some point, and they all reward some level of agent mastery
on top of that they actually provide useful capabilities to their team throughout their entire kit while still having some amount of self sufficiency
serot [#18]no, there is a middle ground that does both
raze, jett, cypher, omen, were all popular ranked agents at some point, and they all reward some level of agent mastery
on top of that they actually provide useful capabilities to their team throughout their entire kit while still having some amount of self sufficiency
like that you would need to delete every agent that has a high pick rate and is selfish if not those will always be superior so that will never happen people just played raze clove jett etc bc they had no other option give them the option to get something selfish why not play that ? half your team doesnt com anyway or is just throwing
by your logic agents like iso chamber clove reyna would either have to get removed forever or completly reworked so both sides would profit and valorant will never do that bc the game is split thats just a fact
serot [#16]the game itself has a mechanical floor
nobody is practicing chamber specific aim, because aim translates to the entire game
I mean the characters are designed to that effect though. duelist and anchor type characters are meant to be self sufficient/ multi kill, and their kit is designed to do just that. Players who care about/ have better mechanics are encouraged to pick these agents, it is their form of skill expression .maybe clove is a bit busted in ranked, but this doesn't translate to pro play at all. threading the line between designing agents with some creative ways to be used outside of their required role and not making them too overpowered is kind of the entire agent design job description. omen is a good example of this
I completely agree it always feels like your playing 4v5 if your chamber/reyna isn’t shooting, compared to a sova that drones and darts site every round the impact is insane
Code28 [#19]like that you would need to delete every agent that has a high pick rate and is selfish if not those will always be superior so that will never happen people just played raze clove jett etc bc they had no other option give them the option to get something selfish why not play that ? half your team doesnt com anyway or is just throwing
by your logic agents like iso chamber clove reyna would either have to get removed forever or completly reworked so both sides would profit and valorant will never do that bc the game is split thats just a fact
Tbh the only agent that needs to be reworked is reyna
Cheezifeet [#22]Tbh the only agent that needs to be reworked is reyna
am not against that yea if like her heal gets replaced with something more for the team i think that would be completly fine
but i mentioned the other agent bc the original writer of this post mentioned them
They should kill off reyna, iso, neon, clove, chamber in a lore cinematic, would be a good way to remove those crappy agents
AspectZera [#24]They should kill off reyna, iso, neon, clove, chamber in a lore cinematic, would be a good way to remove those crappy agents
only way to really deal with these agents yea either completly remove them or completly rework them other wise these agents will always be the most popular
Only person that’s actually useless is clove. The others have kits that contribute imo
x_knowitall39_x [#26]Only person that’s actually useless is clove. The others have kits that contribute imo
clove smokes alone are more valuable than whatever the fuck a reyna does
Siuuuuuuunaldo [#28]clove smokes alone are more valuable than whatever the fuck a reyna does
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