criminal for a player as good as him to be stick in China with no help
who will save vo0kashu
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WjFROST [#6]M8 vo0kashu
marteen will need to bend over and stop baiting then
Ryandr [#2]He might be the most overrated player atp.
do we watch the same game
better for him to stay in china. if he leaves, he just becomes another autumn
mondely [#11]better for him to stay in china. if he leaves, he just becomes another autumn
Autumn is nowhere near vookashu.. Still farming apac
he was legit 4th best player in fpx team
If alfa leaves fnc they might be able to grab him?
Kajaak: Duelist
???
Cloud: Recon(IGL?)
Ruxic: Smokes
Vo0Kashu: Senti
mondely [#11]better for him to stay in china. if he leaves, he just becomes another autumn
vook could pitch to 80% of tier 1 teams rn and they would take him instantly
couldnt have said the same thing bout fpx autumn
Krayon9239 [#12]Autumn is nowhere near vookashu.. Still farming apac
he was legit 4th best player in fpx team
autumn isn’t farming apac and vookashu didn’t do great against other intl teams either.
not saying vookashu isn’t better but he will just be a decent player in another region
Big_Potato [#15]vook could pitch to 80% of tier 1 teams rn and they would take him instantly
couldnt have said the same thing bout fpx autumn
80% of tier1 teams would not take vookashu. u just dk how good vookashu rlly is cuz he just plays in china and the one time we saw him play against another region in memea vitality, he didn’t do so well.
mondely [#17]80% of tier1 teams would not take vookashu. u just dk how good vookashu rlly is cuz he just plays in china and the one time we saw him play against another region in memea vitality, he didn’t do so well.
1 international performance in which the WHOLE team shit the bed. Vook cant carry every game if the team aint working
Big_Potato [#18]1 international performance in which the WHOLE team shit the bed. Vook cant carry every game if the team aint working
vookashu wasn’t even the best player on his team in that match btw
mondely [#19]vookashu wasn’t even the best player on his team in that match btw
Vook cant carry every game if the team aint working
Good work comprehending this
Big_Potato [#20]Vook cant carry every game if the team aint working
Good work comprehending this
i never said for him to carry. just for him to atleast not perform horrible which he didn’t even do.
mondely [#16]autumn isn’t farming apac and vookashu didn’t do great against other intl teams either.
not saying vookashu isn’t better but he will just be a decent player in another region
Autumn in 1 year in APAC:
Kickoff : 7/8th, 226 ACS, 1.16KD top 8 by rating
S1: top 3, 204 ACS, 1.05 KD, 18th by rating (25-30%)
S2 so far: 3-2 groups, 209 ACS, 1.19 KD, 13th by rating (~20%)
he's performing at least as good in APAC as he was in china if not better depending on what time period we're taking into account and he wasn't a very top player in china
He may not be "farming" APAC, but he's definitely been one of the best and most consistent player in the region this year
Madouza [#13]If alfa leaves fnc they might be able to grab him?
Kajaak: Duelist
???
Cloud: Recon(IGL?)
Ruxic: Smokes
Vo0Kashu: Senti
Sevire flex 💭💭💭
Big_Potato [#18]1 international performance in which the WHOLE team shit the bed. Vook cant carry every game if the team aint working
shanghai erasure?
silberfaust1 [#22]He could save himself but he rather takes the china bag
DRG performed quite well for a t2 team tbh. Nobody expected them to make int.
But they still managed it twice.Verse sold stage 2 for DRG.
aqu4zry [#27]shanghai erasure?
he played fine at shanghai considering the whole team's performance, top 10 ACS with no regional matchup
MrBlooBloom [#30]he played fine at shanghai considering the whole team's performance, top 10 ACS with no regional matchup
yea but he said 1 international performance but he went to 2
Krayon9239 [#28]DRG performed quite well for a t2 team tbh. Nobody expected them to make int.
But they still managed it twice.Verse sold stage 2 for DRG.
they made about 3 internationals and never achieved anything there, i mean you are right that they are a decent team for chinese metrics but v0kashu is definitely a player who has the talent to be part of a tournament winning roster if he didnt like chinese food so much
Ryandr [#2]He might be the most overrated player atp.
bro doesnt watch vct cn
Ryandr [#2]He might be the most overrated player atp.
turn on your monitor
MrBlooBloom [#26]Sevire flex 💭💭💭
Or lime if they can get him.
I love sevire but lime is just better sevire...
aqu4zry [#31]yea but he said 1 international performance but he went to 2
mondely also only mentionned the game against vitality, everyone has forgotten anything that went down during shanghai groups tbh
Madouza [#35]Or lime if they can get him.
I love sevire but lime is just better sevire...
off of what exactly? sevire has better aim, is better in clutches, has a better understanding of aggressiveness and also has a better agent pool I'm pretty sure
MrBlooBloom [#36]mondely also only mentionned the game against vitality, everyone has forgotten anything that went down during shanghai groups tbh
yeah i meant to reply to mondely too lol mb
MrBlooBloom [#37]off of what exactly? sevire has better aim, is better in clutches, has a better understanding of aggressiveness and also has a better agent pool I'm pretty sure
Lime has a better agent pool, plays every initiator, every duelist, slightly worse omen (but you'd have ruxic for omen so it doesn't really matter all that much for this team.), but Better chamber/Vyse.
Sevire is great don't get me wrong, def a tier 1 quality flex, but if I was a manager and had to choose between the two I'd pick lime.
(Correction, Lime doesn't play vyse, But sevire doesn't either so the comparison doesn't matter-)
Madouza [#39]Lime has a better agent pool, plays every initiator, every duelist, slightly worse omen (but you'd have ruxic for omen so it doesn't really matter all that much for this team.), but Better chamber/Vyse.
Sevire is great don't get me wrong, def a tier 1 quality flex, but if I was a manager and had to choose between the two I'd pick lime.
(Correction, Lime doesn't play vyse, But sevire doesn't either so the comparison doesn't matter-)
This is the guy you want on your team btw
silberfaust1 [#40]This is the guy you want on your team btw
One game doesn't define a player
Especially when that player averages a 1.13 KD across 19 agents
Madouza [#41]One game doesn't define a player
Especially when that player averages a 1.13 KD across 19 agents
ik i was baiting (+this was the only emea t2 game i watched with ep and lime was legit banging his head on his keybaord every game)
Big_Potato [#8]do we watch the same game
I don't think we do. Also never said he is bad but this no help or he carries always alone thing is so over exaggerated. Most of the time people just look at stats alone and make that narrative.
zenv [#4]going back to emea would be nice
If I am a guessing man, Id say visa issues in emea would be mad annoying for a russian.
Madouza [#39]Lime has a better agent pool, plays every initiator, every duelist, slightly worse omen (but you'd have ruxic for omen so it doesn't really matter all that much for this team.), but Better chamber/Vyse.
Sevire is great don't get me wrong, def a tier 1 quality flex, but if I was a manager and had to choose between the two I'd pick lime.
(Correction, Lime doesn't play vyse, But sevire doesn't either so the comparison doesn't matter-)
the fact that he plays them isn't enough, Lime clearly isn't aggressive enough to be a good generic duelist and his rifle isn't very good either. He was good on yoru/chamber because he is a pretty decent oper but outside of that the only reason he's been on duelist is that it's the meta and it allowed them to run kozzy phoenix (generational terminator) for a bit. Sevire can actually play some duelist, not that I'd want him as a primary space creator either but he doesn't have to be locked in as an oper unlike Lime.
If I had to compare agent to agent :
Sevire > Lime omen
Sevire > Lime phoenix
Sevire > Lime yoru (small gap in theory because of the oping but I actually think Sevire is much more serviceable on yoru)
Sevire > Lime Astra
Sevire > Lime Brim
Lime > Sevire kayO
Lime ~ Sevire chamber (haven't seen enough of Sevire's chamber at a high T2 level tbh)
Sevire > Lime neon
Sevire > Lime fade
Lime pbb > Sevire on tejo
and it's all that matters really
in the current meta I'd take sevire for sure
in general I'd pbb still take sevire unless you needed super specific roles
Ryandr [#43]I don't think we do. Also never said he is bad but this no help or he carries always alone thing is so over exaggerated. Most of the time people just look at stats alone and make that narrative.
I absolutely agree with this, the entire "vo0kashu 1v5" narrative is stupid.
silberfaust1 [#42]ik i was baiting (+this was the only emea t2 game i watched with ep and lime was legit banging his head on his keybaord every game)
you're not really baiting in reality, Lime isn't a good primary duelist if we're being honest, EP should pbb try to go back to as much yoru as reasonably possible for Lime to be consistent
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