First time in a while it feels like a team genuinely did not deserve the win. At least to me, SEN played better. They just lost dumb rounds this should have been like a 13-7 for them highkey.
Underserved win.
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supersussyspedwin [#2]nah sen choked rounds thats on them
Why do people think Sen throwing rounds make them the better team, how does that make sense?
supersussyspedwin [#2]nah sen choked rounds thats on them
Two things can be true.
In what way did SEN play better? They don’t team fight for shit, they just peek 1 by 1
Do you think FNC deserve their lock/in win? LOUD did a lot more throwing on icebox than SEN did vs G2 on lotus
Videl [#4]Two things can be true.
Exactly, if I race someone and they are clearly faster than me but stumble, I wouldn't say I didn't deserve to win, but I wouldn't feel like I'd really earnt the win at the same time
Uncleben [#3]Why do people think Sen throwing rounds make them the better team, how does that make sense?
If a team starts a round with a perfect read, catching a pick mid rounding to pull rotations and hit a completely empty site, and one player on the opposing team hits incredible headshots and aim diffs them solo. Which team would you say played the round better?
Addammo [#7]Exactly, if I race someone and they are clearly faster than me but stumble, I wouldn't say I didn't deserve to win, but I wouldn't feel like I'd really earnt the win at the same time
If they stumble like 5 times then maybe their just not good at racing tho
Videl [#8]If a team starts a round with a perfect read, catching a pick mid rounding to pull rotations and hit a completely empty site, and one player on the opposing team hits incredible headshots and aim diffs them solo. Which team would you say played the round better?
If a team consistently pulls that off, that means your team has good macro but terrible micro and that the enemy team has better player quality, so your team isn’t better
JonahPork [#5]In what way did SEN play better? They don’t team fight for shit, they just peek 1 by 1
pistol, door rounds, lost a 5-3. Thats basically like 4 rounds if you get the bonus too. G2 did not deserve that win at all, they are frauds. But i mean they aint ever gonna win shit so they can take this map or this series.
Addammo [#7]Exactly, if I race someone and they are clearly faster than me but stumble, I wouldn't say I didn't deserve to win, but I wouldn't feel like I'd really earnt the win at the same time
If they consistently stumble then you would probably start questioning whether they understand how to run rather than whether they’re a better runner or not
CurryCooker [#11]pistol, door rounds, lost a 5-3. Thats basically like 4 rounds if you get the bonus too. G2 did not deserve that win at all, they are frauds. But i mean they aint ever gonna win shit so they can take this map or this series.
So if Sen doesn’t know how to triple swing then it’s probably a Sen problem and not a g2 problem. You’re using arguments that would’ve made sense if it was 2021 or 2024 Sen and not 2026 Sen that wouldn’t do jackshit if they made a lan
JonahPork [#12]If they consistently stumble then you would probably start questioning whether they understand how to run rather than whether they’re a better runner or not
which is why I never said G2 didn't deserve to win cause I think they did, but I do believe Sen played better until they decided to toss away some rounds, which I agree is on them
JonahPork [#5]In what way did SEN play better? They don’t team fight for shit, they just peek 1 by 1
They team fought on the pistol and they just lost. I mean I could run through every example if you'd like but I feel like you know this just isn't true lol. Team fought on round 2, 7, like? What are you referring to exactly?
Uncleben [#10]If a team consistently pulls that off, that means your team has good macro but terrible micro and that the enemy team has better player quality, so your team isn’t better
Why didn't you answer the question?
catNmouse [#6]Do you think FNC deserve their lock/in win? LOUD did a lot more throwing on icebox than SEN did vs G2 on lotus
I haven't watched that match since the day it happened dude.
Videl [#16]Why didn't you answer the question?
I did, reread what I wrote. If a team had perfect macro and then fucked up the exec, or simply mechanically worse than their opponent, that doesn’t make them the better team.
Valorant is a first person SHOOTER, mechanics are importsnt, macro is important but so is execution
If you consistently have this happen, YOU are doing something wrong. Maybe it’s poor scaling, bad util on the exec, etc
Videl [#16]Why didn't you answer the question?
Why are you acting like G2 had SUPERHERO rounds that were not on SEN? How did SEN play better if they can't close out easy rounds set up by good play?
Uncleben [#18]I did, reread what I wrote. If a team had perfect macro and then fucked up the exec, or simply mechanically worse than their opponent, that doesn’t make them the better team.
Valorant is a first person SHOOTER, mechanics are importsnt, macro is important but so is execution
If you consistently have this happen, YOU are doing something wrong. Maybe it’s poor scaling, bad util on the exec, etc
K, yeah, that's just not what I said lol. Why did you feel the need to add to what I said? Thats not answering the question thats altering the question and then answering the alteration. Idk why you felt the need to write all of this. Its a simple yes or no to what I said.
supersussyspedwin [#19]Why are you acting like G2 had SUPERHERO rounds that were not on SEN? How did SEN play better if they can't close out easy rounds set up by good play?
Why's no one answering the question?
Videl [#20]K, yeah, that's just not what I said lol. Why did you feel the need to add to what I said? Thats not answering the question thats altering the question and then answering the alteration. Idk why you felt the need to write all of this. Its a simple yes or no to what I said.
Brother your question wasn't a yes or no question? He answered your question
Videl [#21]Why's no one answering the question?
because winner takes all mentality
Videl [#20]K, yeah, that's just not what I said lol. Why did you feel the need to add to what I said? Thats not answering the question thats altering the question and then answering the alteration. Idk why you felt the need to write all of this. Its a simple yes or no to what I said.
Because your question makes no sense? If a team gets a postplant in an empty site and loses every aim duel after already having a man advantage, they played the post plant poorly
The whole point of strategy it make it hard for one player popping to completely destroy
If it happens once, maybe it’s luck, if it happens multiple times you are just bad
serot [#23]because winner takes all mentality
no actually its because #18 answered it already and i feel no need to add on
supersussyspedwin [#22]Brother your question wasn't a yes or no question? He answered your question
Fair I forgot I changed it last minute. He added on details to what I said. That is not an answer to what I said.
Uncleben [#24]Because your question makes no sense? If a team gets a postplant in an empty site and loses every aim duel after already having a man advantage, they played the post plant poorly
The whole point of strategy it make it hard for one player popping to completely destroy
If it happens once, maybe it’s luck, if it happens multiple times you are just bad
Wait so you think its impossible to play a post plant well and at the same time lose aim duels? Again that last statement is just irrelevant to my question so I'm ignoring it.
Videl [#26]Fair I forgot I changed it last minute. He added on details to what I said. That is not an answer to what I said.
so your team isn’t better
is this not an answer to the question?
Videl [#27]Wait so you think its impossible to play a post plant well and at the same time lose aim duels? Again that last statement is just irrelevant to my question so I'm ignoring it.
If it happens multiple times you aren’t playing the post plant perfectly what don’t you get? The whole point of effective post plant position and util is to minimize this happening.
Your setting up an unrealistic scenario that didn’t happen in this game and pretending that justifies your take
supersussyspedwin [#28]so your team isn’t better
is this not an answer to the question?
No because its off of the back of adding to what I said. Are you being ignorant on purpose? and just disagree with what I originally said? Genuine question.
Uncleben [#29]If it happens multiple times you aren’t playing the post plant perfectly what don’t you get? The whole point of effective post plant position and util is to minimize this happening.
Your setting up an unrealistic scenario that didn’t happen in this game and pretending that justifies your take
Why is this unrealistic?
Videl [#30]No because its off of the back of adding to what I said. Are you being ignorant on purpose? and just disagree with what I originally said? Genuine question.
How am I being ignorant? Here is the question you asked: "Which team would you say played the round better?"
He clearly answers the question, stating that the team you support (the team that played well mid round) did not play the round better because they had poor micro. How is that off the back of what you said at all?
Videl [#31]Why is this unrealistic?
G2 didn’t get to a 12-5 lead because Sen threw one singular postplant to a singular player hitting shots after they had a perfect postplant setup and good postplant ideas
Uncleben [#33]G2 didn’t get to a 12-5 lead because Sen threw one singular postplant to a singular player hitting shots after they had a perfect postplant setup and good postplant ideas
Brother, what does that have to do with the scenario I presented? I have removed G2 and SEN from the hypothetical entirely. You are truly doing everything to your ability to not simply answer a question. You know its not unrealistic, and you know why it's sensible to think that a team threw rounds but played better. You can disagree. But acting like it makes absolutely zero sense to say is just stupid. Agree to disagree
JonahPork [#13]So if Sen doesn’t know how to triple swing then it’s probably a Sen problem and not a g2 problem. You’re using arguments that would’ve made sense if it was 2021 or 2024 Sen and not 2026 Sen that wouldn’t do jackshit if they made a lan
them not doing jack shit is essentially a G2 cosplay no? What has g2 ever done when they made a lan? They choked being up in the finals? 100T won an international before them, G2 can beat sen but they will never win an international.
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