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Zander

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#1
ZoldyK

He couldve been the most valuable player in the entirety of NA if orgs had good scouts

TSM needed a Controller + IGL --------- Rossy <<<<<<< Zander
100T needed a Controller + IGL ------------- Ec1s <<<<<<<< Zander
FaZe needed an IGL who frags as well ---------- Fluyh <<<<< Zander

3 Richest orgs in NA just needed a single player who could take them to the next level and they let him go to V1

If any of these orgs had good scouts and coaching structure , i would have easily paid big bucks for him

#2
ciro
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Pretty sure the teams tried but gave up after hearing buyout

#3
toofan1
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true...100T,FAZE,TSM LOST THE OPPURTUINITY

#4
exxem
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my only guess that is hopefully correct is that he was already bought by the time those orgs were looking for players, but I forgot if the TSM rumors were before or after zander got bought out

#5
ZoldyK
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ciro [#2]

Pretty sure the teams tried but gave up after hearing buyout

Are you saying V1 paid his buyout but not 100T

#6
unknown_trash
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V1 wasnt a bad team to go to though, all 4 players have good chemistry and are clearly able to put up a fight against international teams.

#7
ciro
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ZoldyK [#5]

Are you saying V1 paid his buyout but not 100T

V1 owner is a billionaire

#8
ZoldyK
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ciro [#7]

V1 owner is a billionaire

FR ?

#9
toofan1
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ciro [#7]

V1 owner is a billionaire

really/?

#10
valotard5
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The duo of Cryo and Zander could have saved them. Jett entry and smokes + IGL. They gotta spend big money for buyouts though. Can't expect to win if you won't spend money to get the players you need

#11
ciro
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ZoldyK [#8]

FR ?

Yeah V1 is owned by the Wilfs and they also own an NFL team called Vikings

#12
ItsMeDio
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valotard5 [#10]

The duo of Cryo and Zander could have saved them. Jett entry and smokes + IGL. They gotta spend big money for buyouts though. Can't expect to win if you won't spend money to get the players you need

yeah, agree
but it's sad cryo & zander must split in different team

#13
cyk
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ZoldyK [#8]

FR ?

Liquidpedia says Version1 is an American esports organization owned by WISE Ventures, an investment fund in New York, and the Wilf family.
Similar to Guard Andbox, their owners are rich af

#14
ZoldyK
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cyk [#13]

Liquidpedia says Version1 is an American esports organization owned by WISE Ventures, an investment fund in New York, and the Wilf family.
Similar to Guard Andbox, their owners are rich af

ngl i read Wilf as Milf , fuck my dirty mind

#15
uganda_forever
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Imagine 2022 TSM roster

cryocells
wardell
subroza
trent
zender

#16
deadSQUAD
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zander, valyn, skuba, geeza, jsung, reduxx, apotheon, runi, cryo, purevns, bdog and whole akrew are underrated and promising player that i watched from tier 2 NA tournament like the nsg series.

#17
Sikko
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uganda_forever [#15]

Imagine 2022 TSM roster

cryocells
wardell
subroza
trent
zender

imagination is all TSM gives now

#18
idkbro
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I swear to god top NA teams coaching staff and scouting is awful and if they do proper scouting for once and get a really promising player they always make the guy play offrole so old dogs can keep paycheck stealing

#19
flame2802
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idkbro [#18]

I swear to god top NA teams coaching staff and scouting is awful and if they do proper scouting for once and get a really promising player they always make the guy play offrole so old dogs can keep paycheck stealing

The only team to scout young players has been xset

#20
chloeburbank
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cyk [#13]

Liquidpedia says Version1 is an American esports organization owned by WISE Ventures, an investment fund in New York, and the Wilf family.
Similar to Guard Andbox, their owners are rich af

isnr gaurd tied to some big OW org?

#21
ZoldyK
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flame2802 [#19]

The only team to scout young players has been xset

ABX too , they have given chances to a lot of youngsters only to get poached by big orgs

#22
cyk
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chloeburbank [#20]

isnr gaurd tied to some big OW org?

Yeah, LA Gladiators where Patiphan just joined
And they owned by Kroenke

#23
drewxa
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Plus he's kinda cute 😳

#24
Hater
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chloeburbank [#20]

isnr gaurd tied to some big OW org?

Yes, The Guard are owned by the same ownership group (Kroenke Sports & Entertainment) as the Los Angeles Gladiators Overwatch League team and the Los Angeles Guerrillas Call Of Duty League Team. (They also own the LA Rams and Arsenal F.C.)

So yeah, if they're spending in Overwatch is anything to go by money is probably not an issue

#25
Hater
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Really an unfortunate case of NA esports inflation, though most of these teams could likely afford the buyout for Zander it's generally a lot more complicated than that. Each team has a budget and different ambitions. Faze is a good example of this, realistically no matter what supporting cast surrounds babybay the brand image stays the same and the merch sales and sponsorship opportunities stay the same. Esports like all sports is 90% brand marketing and 10% results.

It's all about the simple question of investment, for an established org like Faze, TSM or 100t is the difference in results going to result in a significant enough difference in income. Is a winning roster going to be more marketable than a well branded roster (this question actually launced a legendary montage series in overwatch called "blank is marketable"). So is the difference between Zander and ec1s worth the difference in buyout.

Aswell there is also that matter of finding a player that fits the system, wants to play for the team (I could see some issues from players who don't want to have to play around the political issues of TSM and having to build around the flawed Wardell/Subrossa Core) and isn't wanted more by another team who will play more. As well some of these signings could have already been made before the prominence of Zander in T2 meaning teams are already committed

#26
Carthage_Er_Pola
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uganda_forever [#15]

Imagine 2022 TSM roster

cryocells
wardell
subroza
trent
zender

Still gonna be tier 3 cause of babydell and midroza

#27
unknown_trash
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uganda_forever [#15]

Imagine 2022 TSM roster

cryocells
wardell
subroza
trent
zender

you can't make a tier 1 team with 2 paycheck stealing streamers

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