Like bro was the MVP for Germany of all time. No Otto, no Germany. But he did kinda ensure that his system of foreign policy would be extremely hard to replicate, so he kinda started WW1
So why the hate?
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I don't get the Otto Von Bismarck hate
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the real fraud was Friedrich Wilhelm I that bitch bum ahh doomed whole germany
he killed a lot of people in german south west africa and he also helped the ottoman empire (was very mean to armenia)
poiuu20 [#3]the real fraud was Friedrich Wilhelm I that bitch bum ahh doomed whole germany
I would say Wilhelm II doomed Germany by breaking Drekaiserbund and forcing Russia to ally with France
Effectively causing the 2 front war
Ya gotta chose someone more controversial for that smh
Bro was below average in terms of atrocities committed for authoritarian rulers at the time
(Though he did lay some good groundwork for his successors)
MrBlooBloom [#4]he ragebaited France into declaring war 😡
Ngl
I Gotta feel bad for Napoleon III tho
targuin [#7]Ya gotta chose someone more controversial for that smh
Bro was below average in terms of atrocities committed for authoritarian rulers at the time(Though he did lay some good groundwork for his successors)
If you see the genghis thread I made, that's why I may have chosen some less controversial figures
Nats_2nd_biggest_fan [#8]Ngl
I Gotta feel bad for Napoleon III tho
Idk he's still the GOAT for what he did to Paris
ynuser [#2]I don't get the "I don't get the .... hate" posts. Is it a bait?
i kinda started this trend with the 'i dont get the genghis hate'
but now im trying to make this more of a discussion of History overall of some slightly controversial figures, like with the 'i dont get the napoleon hate'
Nats_2nd_biggest_fan [#6]I would say Wilhelm II doomed Germany by breaking Drekaiserbund and forcing Russia to ally with France
Effectively causing the 2 front war
fuck my knowledge fading after statics im cooked gang
geospliced [#10]Idk he's still the GOAT for what he did to Paris
Not exactly the goat for the dictatorship tho but yeah
Nats_2nd_biggest_fan [#9]If you see the genghis thread I made, that's why I may have chosen some less controversial figures
Fair, but (at least the start, idk if it fell apart later on) was fun af to read
poiuu20 [#12]fuck my knowledge fading after statics im cooked gang
It was a lot of factors that lead to the 1st World War tho, such as:
- The Balkan Wars, leading to Bulgaria allying with Germany
- The Naval Arms race between Germany and Britain (The dreadnoughts)
- The Alliance systems (Triple Alliance and Triple Entente), also Russia's alliance with Serbia
- Bosnian Crisis, which led to Russia not wanting to back down next time, and also angering the Serbs, which would result in the assassination of Franz Ferdinand
- Militarism and Arms Race, because Germany had effectively broken Britain's Empire, and Britain was like the world police force, nobody would want to start wars if the world most powerful Empire could join, which was no longer the case with Germany, which could made goods more cheaply than Britain
- With this point, Balance of Power, agreed upon in the Congress of Vienna since the end of the Napoleonic Forces, was pretty much broken
- The Moroccan Crisis', which caused Italy to not really want to ally with Germany and caused Britain and France to get closer
targuin [#14]Fair, but (at least the start, idk if it fell apart later on) was fun af to read
i got torn apart in that thread bro
the funny part is that i got the idea to make that thread when people decided to downvote me suggesting Genghis Khan as the greatest athlete oat
Nats_2nd_biggest_fan [#11]i kinda started this trend with the 'i dont get the genghis hate'
but now im trying to make this more of a discussion of History overall of some slightly controversial figures, like with the 'i dont get the napoleon hate'
This diddy blud bro...
ynuser [#17]This diddy blud bro...
i mean, you dont have stars so you cant really talk
People hated Bismarck because he:
Ruled harshly
Crushed political freedom
Suppressed religion and workers
Scared Europe with German power
Yet ironically, he is also admired as one of history’s greatest statesmen for unifying Germany.
_AshBorne_ [#19]People hated Bismarck because he:
Ruled harshly
Crushed political freedom
Suppressed religion and workers
Scared Europe with German power
Yet ironically, he is also admired as one of history’s greatest statesmen for unifying Germany.
Scared Europe with German power
Thats not really a negative, all he did was just break the balance of power set since the Napoleonic wars
Nats_2nd_biggest_fan [#20]Scared Europe with German power
Thats not really a negative, all he did was just break the balance of power set since the Napoleonic wars
we all know abt a certain individual who use german power to break the balance of power in 20th cent and most people hate him right.....
Nats_2nd_biggest_fan [#15]It was a lot of factors that lead to the 1st World War tho, such as:
- The Balkan Wars, leading to Bulgaria allying with Germany
- The Naval Arms race between Germany and Britain (The dreadnoughts)
- The Alliance systems (Triple Alliance and Triple Entente), also Russia's alliance with Serbia
- Bosnian Crisis, which led to Russia not wanting to back down next time, and also angering the Serbs, which would result in the assassination of Franz Ferdinand
- Militarism and Arms Race, because Germany had effectively broken Britain's Empire, and Britain was like the world police force, nobody would want to start wars if the world most powerful Empire could join, which was no longer the case with Germany, which could made goods more cheaply than Britain
- With this point, Balance of Power, agreed upon in the Congress of Vienna since the end of the Napoleonic Forces, was pretty much broken
- The Moroccan Crisis', which caused Italy to not really want to ally with Germany and caused Britain and France to get closer
truth nuke, honestly i forgor shit so ts made me remember shit wilhelm II sold hard with russian alliance ngl
poiuu20 [#22]truth nuke, honestly i forgor shit so ts made me remember shit wilhelm II sold hard with russian alliance ngl
I mean, only Otto Von Bismarck could've kept this alliance, because Austria and Russia both had ambitions in the Balkans, so Bismarck had to do a lot to try to keep the alliance intact
Nats_2nd_biggest_fan [#23]I mean, only Otto Von Bismarck could've kept this alliance, because Austria and Russia both had ambitions in the Balkans, so Bismarck had to do a lot to try to keep the alliance intact
he did try but that bum ahh kicked him and did shit
honestly creating enemy on yo back was the worst move
_AshBorne_ [#21]we all know abt a certain individual who use german power to break the balance of power in 20th cent and most people hate him right.....
But Bismarck didn't exactly open concentration camps did he?
poiuu20 [#24]he did try but that bum ahh kicked him and did shit
honestly creating enemy on yo back was the worst move
Ye
And
They tried using a 9 year old plan to try to avoid it (Schlieffen plan), which was outdated by 1914
Nats_2nd_biggest_fan [#26]Ye
And
They tried using a 9 year old plan to try to avoid it (Schlieffen plan), which was outdated by 1914
that mf dumb as john lackland ngl
Nats_2nd_biggest_fan [#25]But Bismarck didn't exactly open concentration camps did he?
well bismark was not a military leader he was more like a political leader so comparing to that guy doesnt makes sense, but he was a catalyst for many wars killing more than 200k in franco prussian war.
MrBlooBloom [#13]Not exactly the goat for the dictatorship tho but yeah
I only care about the fact that his taste in urban forestry was so refined for the era.
Nats_2nd_biggest_fan [#18]i mean, you dont have stars so you cant really talk
Do u need to ur little stars baby boy to talk 🥺
_AshBorne_ [#28]well bismark was not a military leader he was more like a political leader so comparing to that guy doesnt makes sense, but he was a catalyst for many wars killing more than 200k in franco prussian war.
But the Austrian Individual wasn't even a military leader, not even a good one anyways
Nats_2nd_biggest_fan [#31]But the Austrian Individual wasn't even a military leader, not even a good one anyways
well that guy was only good at manipulating people i guess
_AshBorne_ [#32]well that guy was only good at manipulating people i guess
He like maxed his Public Speaking skill
Goebbels said this about him:
"Only one who has heard him in such a setting can understand his full brilliance as a speaker"
listening to him would be basically falling under hypnosis
its no wonder how he managed to gain such popularity
ynuser [#30]Do u need to ur little stars baby boy to talk 🥺
Yes
I nweed mwy lwittle stwars 🥺
Goatfnc [#35]Does people actually hate bismark?
Maybe the French do
poggpigg [#5]he killed a lot of people in german south west africa and he also helped the ottoman empire (was very mean to armenia)
On 2nd thought
You are right poggpigg
I will not condone this man's actions anymore, though he pretty much singlehandedly formed the German Empire
poiuu20 [#3]the real fraud was Friedrich Wilhelm I that bitch bum ahh doomed whole germany
bro was trying to smurf in immortal and failed..
kilo- [#39]bro was trying to smurf in immortal and failed..
Ye
He thought being a son of a radiant #1 for multiple episodes in a row would allow him to smurf in immo lobbies
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