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heretics 24 > fnatic 25
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Sure, I don't mind giving it to heretics just because they made it to first master as well. The other accomplishments are the same and I dont care about ewc
Sure. They were rookies for the most part so, they achieved what they could in very short time. They didn't win, but they came pretty close.
They feel basically the same tbh it doesn't help that their upset vs navi was definitely easier than fnc vs kc
Nah Heretics 2024 couldn't play Split and struggle on Lotus but they were top 3 overall.
TH 24 never won regionally but even if we ignore that TH 24 were way more shaky than FNC 25 during their international runs buuuuuuut TH 24 did make 3x VCT internationals so to each their own i guess
Shanghai
Lost to G2 2-1 and both G2 maps wins were pretty convincing
Barely made playoffs by FPX in map 3 OT
Lost to G2 again, similar to first match-up with map being 13-4
But then 3-0'd G2
Like TH were good in 2024 but they were so inconsistent even then last 2 maps of Shanghai gf were NOT close at all
It's a bit weird to consider FNC more consistent as they are known for comebacks but I think FNC get more consistent round differential in their losses compared to TH
yeah you can easily debate this, but th was more consistent (consistently choking) during 2024 while fnc was buns at kickoff 25. fnc did win 2 splits in 25 instead of choking twice like th but wtv
th 24 > fnc 25 but just barely imo
By virtue alone I cant lie and agree heretics dont exist without riens remove chron and crashies and you can still be a good team
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