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Why do people still care about the lower bracket in tournaments?
I understand why the lower bracket should be in the qualifiers, but is it really important in international tournaments? I can only remember the FPX run when the lower bracket really mattered because they had a sub before the LB, but in other cases, the UB winners were always the favorites

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eg wouldnt have won champs, sen wouldnt have won madrid, t1 wouldnt have won bangkok

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less fluke more storyline

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GA [#2]

eg wouldnt have won champs, sen wouldnt have won madrid, t1 wouldnt have won bangkok

sen and t1 wouldn't have won? that's a W in my books

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eg wouldnt have won champs, sen wouldnt have won madrid, t1 wouldnt have won bangkok

Except eg i would say every other runner up were better than actual winner

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egann [#3]

less fluke more storyline

Which storyline would be fluke if there wasn’t lower bracket?

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Which storyline would be fluke if there wasn’t lower bracket?

hurts to say but prx actually. if there's no lb, eg/fpx run would've never happened and they were the better team overall during the tournament

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egann [#7]

hurts to say but prx actually. if there's no lb, eg/fpx run would've never happened and they were the better team overall during the tournament

it's like only 2 moments where you can say that lb was needed

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it's like only 2 moments where you can say that lb was needed

optic loud in reyjavik could be, very debatable though but thats another example

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Allows teams to have a second chance, many teams that are better lose bc of surprise factor, less warm up, adjusting to meta, bad day, etc but comeback a lot better

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Except eg i would say every other runner up were better than actual winner

why didnt they win then

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also more matches to watch 🎉

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Two_Percent [#10]

Allows teams to have a second chance, many teams that are better lose bc of surprise factor, less warm up, adjusting to meta, bad day, etc but comeback a lot better

excuses

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Two_Percent [#10]

Allows teams to have a second chance, many teams that are better lose bc of surprise factor, less warm up, adjusting to meta, bad day, etc but comeback a lot better

but it is the international no
and i think lower brackets lowers the stakes for every playoff match cuz
Ub teams can say
we still have lowers

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single elimination may be more competitive and lead to the best team winning, but riot will never switch because lower bracket is better for entertainment, not only are there more matches and more opportunities for storylines, but with double elimination it almost guarantees that the grand finals is between the best two teams at the event. like if bangkok was single elimination, the finals would have been g2 vs edg, which was a pretty easy win for g2. even if that was a bo5, it would not have been nearly as entertaining as g2 vs t1.

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bleakkkkkkk [#14]

but it is the international no
and i think lower brackets lowers the stakes for every playoff match cuz
Ub teams can say
we still have lowers

Lowers the stakes yeah but it makes the lower bracket matches and the grand final more hype, plus the map veto incentivizes teams to try get to and win the upper final

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