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do stats matter

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#1
zhongZHI

s1mon has dogshit stats yet recently everyone is back to glazing him cuz edg is in a lul and everyone's argument is u need to watch game play

aspas is the goat in stats (bar toronto) but if u watch his game play hes has a more baiting playstyle relative to other duelists which sometimes holds back his team and doesnt go for clutches historically instead plays for exits/stats.

so do stats matter or not

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Lordxens
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I think no

#4
zhongZHI
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i think people use it when its convenient and disregard it when its not

#7
DeluluGavin
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yeap. its very inconsistent when it comes to ppl using them. if it works as an advantage for their argument, they will make it seem like stats are everything and vice-versa.

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KGad03
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Difference is Aspas has been dominating since he was 17-18 with performances to back it up. Before Toronto, if someone told me that he would be one of the lowest statistically rated players, I'd have slapped them in the face.

S1mon was probably the greatest breach I have ever seen in my life, so much good util it was insane. A lot of zoning util as well, which doesn't show up on stats.

You can't compare Aspas to s1mon as one is literally a Top 2 player in the game and the other was so toxic that it tore apart a Champs winning team.

#9
zhongZHI
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its not a comparison im just more highlighting how stats over inflate one individual and under value another.

either way i find it funny s1mon is such a good breach despite being a duelist player before he joined edg

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Dudhi
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didn't kk and the entirety of EDG say they had to micromanage his util? makes sense why it was good when everyone was telling him how to use it

#13
unc_real
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i think thats pretty hard cope and excuses from the edg core

#14
Dudhi
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i mean lets be real i would rather trust the edg core over a guy who was bad in terms of everything else asides from his supporting util
but ofc the possibility exists the edg core is just HARD coping to get people off their asses

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DeluluGavin
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usually support players get bashed on for bad stats, but their impacts in games are undeniably vital, like Lakia or different entries and their stylistical differences.

stats are not the most important part, but its not something to completely ignore when evaluating players

#6
michaelisupset
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depends on the agent i’m trying to spread

#8
prope1
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someone say stats?

STATS

mwzera https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/VK%20mwzera%234324/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all
cNed https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/ACE%20cNed%23carry/overview?season=all
TenZ https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/SEN%20TenZ%230505/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all

DEATHMATCH STATS
mwzera - 86% win rate (thats the insaniest thing ive seen in a while)
cNed - stats not availiable
TenZ - 73% win rate

RANKED STATS
mwzera - 66.3% winrate (MVP of 95% of the matches) proof here https://imgur.com/StiJmpg
cNed - 53.5% winrate (MVP of 13% of the matches)
TenZ - 60.4% winrate (MVP of 15% of the matches)

can you take your time to appreciate how insane mwzera is? without a doubt the most talented player to ever touch the game

I'll try to explain briefly why I think he is the best player in the world
Despite his insane aim and movement
The best way to know if a player is a good duelist is RAZE. There is a BIG difference between a good duelist and a jett abuser
If he is a good duelist, he needs to be good with raze.

heat? not good with raze
aspas? not good with raze
xand? not good with raze
tenz? not good with raze
cned? not good with raze
scream? not good with raze
d3ffo? not good with raze
derke? not good with raze

Thats why I think he is undoubtely the best player in the world. If RIOT by any means decides to nerf jett and shift the meta we prolly not gonna even hear names like cned and tenz again :>
He is not killing 40+ per map because when he joined VK he was forced to play a different role because heat is already a main jett... and lets be honest, every single duelist nowadays gets 20+ kills per map because team and setups are basically built around you (even steel managed to get 20 kills with it https://www.vlr.gg/29398/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-gf/?game=46692&tab=overview)

#10
gamergirl
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https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2097/valorant-champions-2024

half an assist per round is like peak as fuck for a initiator

also the aspas analysis is pretty weird, his stats arent even that amazing, derke has better stats internationally probably, and i dont think aspas is a baity duelist, i just think you hear what other people say and regurgitate it

#12
Effluxi
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they do and don't but also there's more important shit than your flash initiator fragging, like them having actually good util

or I guess being able to flex in this meta where flash init sucks ass but

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