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TL vs BBL/KC

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#1
Unincognito

How seriously are we taking these loses? Don't start your 0/8 bullshit just genuine opinions.

Might be copium but imo they didn't look like they were playing to the same standard they were playing in stage 1. A lot more individual plays and almost no set strats that I could see.

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aquaa018s_alterego
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18-4 first kills and still lost

nrg vs blg shit

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Ronyko23
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Not big deal. But s0rial is def cooked.

#4
Gutssz
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they would win if these matches were important VCT game

#5
Gutssz
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they changed Icebox and Haven comp for this event and probably tried something else

#6
Unincognito
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ye some experimenting going on

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benmaimoon
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gutsszum bağırtma aq kcye bo5 kaybettiler

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BBL has been super close to the top all year. They had a close match vs heretics and a liquid. Now they beat them. Thats not surprising in the slightest and doesn't worry me terribly.

Compared to kickoff other team just caught up to liquid. Teams with players like KC, Navi, BBL all should be right there with them. Now they closed the gap and are closer to fulfilling their potential.

KC dropped most of their bad comps and play closer to normal stuff now and ....shocker.. they are much better now because their players are insane.

If Liquid wants to be a consistent top 3 team in EMEA they will need some roster upgrads to the core

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Something felt off tho to me. I'm currently watching BCF vs EP and the level of valorant feels higher than the KC vs TL game.

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Congo1
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thats lack of ball knowledge im afraid

#12
Unincognito
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What?

#15
askrial
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they're saying you're wrong politely

#17
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Ye I mean, ofc their going to think that coz their team won lol

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askrial
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no they're saying that you're wrong on the fact that you think that the bcf and ep game is higher level, which i somewhat agree with. t2 (especially bcf) is getting better in emea but imo they don't have enough coordination to match teams like tl and kc yet.

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Yes I understood you the first time.

I'm saying I just watched EP vs BCF right now they were playing on Haven. And the level of valorant felt a lot higher. Less individual plays, better strats, individuals making good plays when they need to.

I'm not talking about the overall level of EMEA T2 or even the overall level of BCF and EP.

I'm talking about specifcally comparing two games on the same map (haven).

They're basically playing back to back. And imo EP would've beat KC or TL on that haven if they played the same as in the EWC qualifier (NOT STAGE 1).

Because imo TL felt off. And I'm saying ofc a KC fan wouldn't think that because their team won and they would want to beat TL at their best. But I don't think they were at all.

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askrial
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that's fair tbh. that haven was great to watch (if you were an ep fan, haha). so i do agree with you in that aspect. if this was any other map though, i still stand by my point.

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The only reason I want EP to win is because I don't want ascension to be a BCF domination lol... (I'm also a bit pissed that BBL have managed to bypass the academy team rules, which BCF essentially are).

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faloxxl
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sell ur eyes

#16
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Or I'm just not a biased KC fan lol.

#18
faloxxl
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Just take for example serial : in t2 looks like the best player itw now he's just a big bot exposed

#20
Unincognito
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Okay? But I'm talking about the team as a whole. If you think this was to the level of stage 1 then you are clearly just being biased.

#22
faloxxl
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The link is that everyone in T2 will look good just t1 is not the same that's all

#29
Unincognito
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"The gap between Tier 1 and Tier 2 isn't that big" - Sliggy.

I also remember I think it was Heretics saying that if they played against Fokus without any prep they would lose.

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faloxxl
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Gentle mates 2023 2024 btw

#34
Unincognito
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They shouldn't have won anyway. I'll trust the words of the coaches over you mate :)

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Ronyko23
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Profek is too good for bbL sadly.Def gonna leave if they fail to make champs.

#21
askrial
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and go where??? bbl are looking incredible right now, they almost made toronto. even if they don't make champs i still think that profek would stay.

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Ronyko23
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Boo was hella glazing him. I think he is def on top teams radar. Its quite difficult to keep that kinda player.

#25
askrial
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that's true but i can't think of any teams that would pick him up other than maybe koi. and i really don't think anyone really wants to go to koi unless its for the money.

#27
Ronyko23
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I think vitality navi liquid all gonna make roster moves next year. Any team gonna take a crazy good smokes player.

#28
askrial
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well
vitality are probably going to stay with cyvoph because they probably like the role he fills
navi look really good with ruxic, i wouldn't expect them to change that
liquid look really good with keiko and imo if they were to change anyone, it would probably be serial and maybe patitek if they want

#31
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I think Patitek plays to a good level, and also probably brings to the team what we don't see. Also a bit of a vibes merchant. I wouldn't change him.

Serial I think is still being unfairly underrated and hated on, but I could see them dropping him if he can't adapt to the new roles fully. We will see in Toronto.

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Minimalist
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TL needs to upgrade Serial atleast maybe patitek aswell

#14
bobwoblob
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Just more proof this team is not gonna win anything with c0real. They only have 2 players who consistently pop off (nats/keiko). That's not enough to be a serious contender.

#37
finnwithtwons
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not very, though i do believe kcorp have been better than tl since the start of the split and have gotten incredibly unlucky with tech issues etc
does reinforce the issue with this team however that they are still a couple steps behind an elite calibre team, even just from a firepower standpoint

#40
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I don't think they got unlucky, especially tech issues you can't blame a loss over that. All of the teams experienced tech issues before the upgrade.

However KC definitely trolled with some of the comps they were using and definitely have a higher potential than they have shown.

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finnwithtwons
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they, documented, experienced significantly worse tech issues than every other emea team

#46
Unincognito
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No, just because ZE1SH complained about it on Twitter doesn't mean they were the only ones that experienced it. All teams had tech issues, they were all using the same equipment.

#38
Effluxi
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TL is a great core missing edge pieces. With a couple substitutions they're contenders for at least 1st EMEA.

Currently though, they're probably genuinely worse than BBL / KC simply because 4 good players is better than 2 insane and 3 mid ones.

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