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So T2 NA

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NRGSUPERFAN
  1. got matchfixing for hundred of thousands.

  2. apparently someone in the anti-cheat department is getting paid off.

  3. the people who run the league cant speak english.

  4. ongoing investigation into the match fixing and cheating??

T2 IS NOT GETTING SAVED WE ARE COOKED

update: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C_a6n-9wGWTm8e3DWW9PREdLEjBBYuoqUH-STHOz5pA/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.qgdr4nl2qdpj

thats basically the whole summary of everything if people want to read it.

UPDATE 2: https://x.com/seangares/status/1923256480549032371

SEAN IS CONFIRMING THINGS

#2
gamergirl
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ch0t joins and the cheaters come back

so predictable

#3
NRGSUPERFAN
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chet needed to recover from losing a 6 figure job so he started a matchfixing ring.

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Ronyko23
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There is a reason a bottom t1 org is better than any t2 mess.Atleast players are getting paid.

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NRGSUPERFAN
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yeah but only because riot cares about the t1 scene and wants it to be sustainable.

IF RIOT WANTED T2 TO BE SOMEWHAT SUSTAINABLE AND PROFITABLE, IT WOULDNT BE THIS BAD.

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Ronyko23
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You can't get profit with no viewership. They need orgs with passion for the game.

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gamergirl
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yeah i dont know why people want riot as a business to just lose money in tier 2 that nobody watches

the community is the problem not riot

i dont see pros encouraging people to go watch academy games

dont see huge content creators who can fund t2 salaries with just watchparties

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its only this bad because the issues t2 have been facing has been ignored for so long. 2023 was a prime example of a healthy t2 scene.

the organizers cant english, observers used for certain games are AI and riot doesnt even use their main channel to promote t2 at all.

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gamergirl
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riot is doing fine in t2 in regions where t2 gets viewership

american fans just dont watch their region

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NRGSUPERFAN
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viewership has been in decline but it was never this bad in NA. the decline in viewership could've been prevented.

at the end of the day its all in riot's hands. either have a cheater/mathfixing infested scene or riot can stand up and do something about it.

also what other regions are doing fine?

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https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-challengers-2025-france-revolution-stage-1
https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-challengers-2025-north-america-stage-1

about 300 million people speak french and 1.5 billion speak english

france has twice the average viewership because the orgs are marketable and smart, streamers care about tier 2 here too

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wish NA t2 was like this 😞.

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ScaryLapis
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no interest -> no reason to invest

no money invested in t2 -> no interest

it’s a cycle, but the buck ultimately stops with riot, since the biggest things that can help T2 out are riot decisions, but they believe in having one franchised league that everything else is just a pipeline for.

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in most sports lower leagues are a pipeline for the main competition

tier 2 is good in every region where fans show up to watch teams

there would be interest in tier 2 if orgs and players were entertaining

riot doesnt do anything you want them to do in france and french tier 2 is doing way better lol

just watch the games, if people dont watch tier 2 why complain, its not a irl stadium all you have to do is open twitch and watch

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ScaryLapis
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orgs and players can’t and won’t play if they have to operate at a significant loss for essentially no gain.

#31
gamergirl
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and neither will riot because the good players will still make it to tier 1 which is all riot cares about

and in reality its all thats important

riot does just enough so challengers exists

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NRGSUPERFAN
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every region had orgs with "passion" and it just kept crumbling cuz riot decided to do nothing about it.

2023 was great and 2024 was decent but this year has been horror.

#14
EmehVukii
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do you have the sources for this or at least who is claiming for these things to be true because goddamn

#16
NRGSUPERFAN
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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2459942999

funhaver leaked it and sean gares got pissed at him cuz he was apparently doing an investigation on it. sean basically confirmed it saying what mr funhaver said wasnt even 1% of what was currently going, hinting at there being even more fucked up shit.

#25
wololo___
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when im in a mismanagement competition and my opponent is riot handling T2

#15
simo98
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Can someone give full context

#17
Gemiknight
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jesus, i thought the things with Ambrosia and M80 was the end of it. tier 2 is beyond saving rip

#19
NRGSUPERFAN
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basically drug infested UFC before the rule changes

#34
-morte-
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What happened with M80 and Ambrosia?

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m80 sold okeanos and sato to lev and is apparently leaving the scene entirely.

ambrosia can't play with satellite due to admin decisions and miscommunication, so they have to play with the coach (as far as i know)

#18
melon_fan
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did the league just blow up?

#20
NRGSUPERFAN
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funhaver is just leaking stuff and people like zekken was in his chat talking about it.

#22
archetype
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Americas drama was quiet for a reason huh

#24
NRGSUPERFAN
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fr shit is so cooked

#26
Shiv9
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imagine its Canzerra thats been cheating

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funhaver cleared envy for any cheating related stuff if u trust him

#27
tofubun
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franchising suck so bad, boring ass few events a year, and nobody cares about tier 2

#29
xaib
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insane

#30
swaggerlikejagger
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viewership in t2 is cooked because its just boring for the average viewer. just straight online monotonous matches for nearly a year straight, then it only gets interesting around split 3 to see who makes ascension.
one of the reasons t2 somewhat works in cs is because t2/vrs points are used the whole year. seeing a team like wildcard being able to play in bigger events like EPL, the major, kato against bigger teams is intriguing.
i mean, theres a reason why people are interested to see how an ascension winning team like nongshim/2G would perform in T1 this year. however, we only get to see this once a year. maybe in an ideal system we would see more of this, which would hopefully incentivize the average viewer to see which new t2 team gets to play against an already familiar t1 team

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TM06Nick
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Split 3 is the offseason in t2, you mean split 2

#32
iongerss
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the cheater is defo cuckzerra

#35
GarbanzoEnjoyer
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can someone bump this if the cheating players/teams get confirmed

#37
WatsomN
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do we have any guess which teams/match obviously cheated by match fixing? i mean it's just baseless allegation but there have to be some match where it's obvious

#42
NRGSUPERFAN
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no guesses yet but funhaver's team got approached by a group that wanted them to throw their game.

#38
Vgb
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👀 woahh...

#39
Zeron
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only been off vlr for 3 days and all hell is loose

#43
StalwartTiger_35
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explains a lot

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