Valorant E-sports spacing

So if ur a SEN or a G2 fan you won't see them play for another month, and for the teams that got eliminated you won't see them for 3 months, I know we just saw a lot of Valorant but I do think its a really long gap for teams that got eliminated early.

then dont get eliminated early, and use this extra time to prep and become better to ensure it.

GambleNats [#2]

then dont get eliminated early, and use this extra time to prep and become better to ensure it.

"then dont get eliminated early" is a horror argument as to why there shouldnt be more regional games or better spacing.

GambleNats [#2]

then dont get eliminated early, and use this extra time to prep and become better to ensure it.

dude its a competitive environment
everyone is (or at least should be) giving their max to improve but at the end of it some teams will still be eliminated early

having to wait so long to watch the team you support is inexcusable and terrible for monetization

NRGSUPERFAN [#3]

"then dont get eliminated early" is a horror argument as to why there shouldnt be more regional games or better spacing.

why should there be more regional games, I can agree for better spacing but not more games

GambleNats [#5]

why should there be more regional games, I can agree for better spacing but not more games

1. viewers want more games. seeing their favorite team play a minimum of 5 games every 4 months isn't good and you also have along off season.
2. from a business standpoint, keeping a full salaried team that barely plays is just not good for orgs who arent qualifying for tournaments. this is something nadeshot has talked about.
3. Players such as ange1 and sadhaak have raised the issue saying that its hard to improve or find solutions when u have so little to work with.

Raftlot [#4]

dude its a competitive environment
everyone is (or at least should be) giving their max to improve but at the end of it some teams will still be eliminated early

having to wait so long to watch the team you support is inexcusable and terrible for monetization

again, you should use that extra time to improve, you should not pad out the game with more matches that are either meaningless or cause too much stress to the top teams. I get that there must be a last place, but if an org is getting a last place, they shouldnt be complaining about less matches.

and to talk about your second point

terrible for monetization

Its much better for riot to get the top teams in top form for the international event because thats where the money is at, as they confirmed themselves its where a large majority of fan interest and money is being generated. you are catering for a very minority, casual fans dont care about bad teams, only fans of a team care about bad teams.

NRGSUPERFAN [#6]

1. viewers want more games. seeing their favorite team play a minimum of 5 games every 4 months isn't good and you also have along off season.
2. from a business standpoint, keeping a full salaried team that barely plays is just not good for orgs who arent qualifying for tournaments. this is something nadeshot has talked about.
3. Players such as ange1 and sadhaak have raised the issue saying that its hard to improve or find solutions when u have so little to work with.

1. A minority of viewers will actually go watch those extra games. what stakes are you even adding? if you want another round robin like thing you are adding too many games for top teams to play, sure some people out there might like GX but its not enough to justify more matches played.

2. Refer back to point 1 about the more matches, and how its just not advantageous to Riot

3. "when u have so little to work with" expand on this point

GambleNats [#7]

again, you should use that extra time to improve, you should not pad out the game with more matches that are either meaningless or cause too much stress to the top teams. I get that there must be a last place, but if an org is getting a last place, they shouldnt be complaining about less matches.

and to talk about your second point

terrible for monetization

Its much better for riot to get the top teams in top form for the international event because thats where the money is at, as they confirmed themselves its where a large majority of fan interest and money is being generated. you are catering for a very minority, casual fans dont care about bad teams, only fans of a team care about bad teams.

I get all of that, but I think the premise is already wrong
its not like we have too many games on val to have concerns about stressing the top teams, its the opposite

compare to football, they play 1 to 2 times a week FOR THE WHOLE YEAR, there is like a 2 week break in june or july and a 1 month break at the end of the year, and its a physical sport too where being well rested is important (there is too many games on football but thats another discussion entirely)

or f1, theres quite a big break at the end of the year (2 or 3 months) but apart from that most weeks have races

and on esports we have cs, with lots more games than val too. Maybe you are right and val isnt big enough as an esport yet to give enough visibility to bottom of the barrel teams, but it will never be unless we invest on it and give them more visibility

I cant speak for everyone of course but I watched the whole of 2024 even that being a year where all brazilian teams were TERRIBLE, like trash of the trash

EG and 100T who were only a few rounds away from beating the current Americas champions have to wait the same amount of time to play again as Furia

GambleNats [#8]

1. A minority of viewers will actually go watch those extra games. what stakes are you even adding? if you want another round robin like thing you are adding too many games for top teams to play, sure some people out there might like GX but its not enough to justify more matches played.

2. Refer back to point 1 about the more matches, and how its just not advantageous to Riot

3. "when u have so little to work with" expand on this point

1. it wouldn't be a minority? also the argument that "top teams will be playing too many games" shouldn't be an issue when they have a month before an international tournament starts. having a proper stage before the first masters wouldnt be an issue would it?

2. CN legit got a tournament for the teams not making internationals. those tournaments wont burden top teams and will benefit casual fans and players.

3. meta changes, roster moves and trying to improve is incredibly hard when u have a few games to work with. if u lose twice in kick off thats it for you for months. you then go back improve on the meta and map pool and ur suddenly thrown into a new meta.

4. https://x.com/OfficialANGE1/status/1810770810367549718 and https://x.com/SaadhakW/status/1884642511265710096 are examples of pros talking about it

Raftlot [#9]

I get all of that, but I think the premise is already wrong
its not like we have too many games on val to have concerns about stressing the top teams, its the opposite

compare to football, they play 1 to 2 times a week FOR THE WHOLE YEAR, there is like a 2 week break in june or july and a 1 month break at the end of the year, and its a physical sport too where being well rested is important (there is too many games on football but thats another discussion entirely)

or f1, theres quite a big break at the end of the year (2 or 3 months) but apart from that most weeks have races

and on esports we have cs, with lots more games than val too. Maybe you are right and val isnt big enough as an esport yet to give enough visibility to bottom of the barrel teams, but it will never be unless we invest on it and give them more visibility

I cant speak for everyone of course but I watched the whole of 2024 even that being a year where all brazilian teams were TERRIBLE, like trash of the trash

I get all of that, but I think the premise is already wrong
its not like we have too many games on val to have concerns about stressing the top teams, its the opposite

there was many many many complaints about this in 2023 and how motivation and quality of play went down because its stressful asf to keep putting up your best. FNS, Boaster, and kangkang all said its impossible

compare to football, they play 1 to 2 times a week FOR THE WHOLE YEAR, there is like a 2 week break in june or july and a 1 month break at the end of the year, and its a physical sport too where being well rested is important (there is too many games on football but thats another discussion entirely)

All the the sports you mentioned have huge amount of burnout and its been complained about A LOT, and these athletes are also being payed way more than your average valorant andy, which means they dont have to continue studying for education or work a second job to keep afloat.

I cant speak for everyone of course but I watched the whole of 2024 even that being a year where all brazilian teams were TERRIBLE, like trash of the trash

I get it, ive watched years where my team was trash too, years where my team played no extra games and yeah its sad but thats just how it is sometimes. you have to prio someone, and for riot where internationals matter the most, of course they care about the top teams more

Hades_Loves_Rb [#10]

EG and 100T who were only a few rounds away from beating the current Americas champions have to wait the same amount of time to play again as Furia

erm akshually furia didnt play in the playoffs and technically have to wait longer (o)-(o) |

It's "esport"
Thank you

GambleNats [#12]

I get all of that, but I think the premise is already wrong
its not like we have too many games on val to have concerns about stressing the top teams, its the opposite

there was many many many complaints about this in 2023 and how motivation and quality of play went down because its stressful asf to keep putting up your best. FNS, Boaster, and kangkang all said its impossible

compare to football, they play 1 to 2 times a week FOR THE WHOLE YEAR, there is like a 2 week break in june or july and a 1 month break at the end of the year, and its a physical sport too where being well rested is important (there is too many games on football but thats another discussion entirely)

All the the sports you mentioned have huge amount of burnout and its been complained about A LOT, and these athletes are also being payed way more than your average valorant andy, which means they dont have to continue studying for education or work a second job to keep afloat.

I cant speak for everyone of course but I watched the whole of 2024 even that being a year where all brazilian teams were TERRIBLE, like trash of the trash

I get it, ive watched years where my team was trash too, years where my team played no extra games and yeah its sad but thats just how it is sometimes. you have to prio someone, and for riot where internationals matter the most, of course they care about the top teams more

Like I said, the amount of games on football is another problem on itself. The problems there arent burnout, its that the excess of games leave players prone to injuries

But anyway there is a healthy middle ground between a year of uninterrupted games and 6 months breaks if you get grouped on stage 2

NRGSUPERFAN [#11]

1. it wouldn't be a minority? also the argument that "top teams will be playing too many games" shouldn't be an issue when they have a month before an international tournament starts. having a proper stage before the first masters wouldnt be an issue would it?

2. CN legit got a tournament for the teams not making internationals. those tournaments wont burden top teams and will benefit casual fans and players.

3. meta changes, roster moves and trying to improve is incredibly hard when u have a few games to work with. if u lose twice in kick off thats it for you for months. you then go back improve on the meta and map pool and ur suddenly thrown into a new meta.

4. https://x.com/OfficialANGE1/status/1810770810367549718 and https://x.com/SaadhakW/status/1884642511265710096 are examples of pros talking about it

1. it wouldn't be a minority, the casual watcher is not watching a game day with 0 stakes between two bad teams where it would not be interesting. only fans of said team would watch that. and if you do add proper stakes including better teams you would be playing too many matches. you say they have 1 month break but look at their schedule during and after toronto its heavily packed: toronto -> ewc -> regular season with a little break (reminder I do not disagree that spacing could be better, I disagree about more matches)

2. That CN tournament was not apart of VCT, its the same thing as off season, that no team really cares about, winning it means literally nothing.

3. You dont only have practice during officials, 90% of a teams improvement will be during scrims, officials can help with this but again you prio the better teams, not the worse ones.

4. Thats great, but theres also pros complaining that theres too many games being played before. there is no perfect balance of games. The only thing you can reasonably argue for is LCQ to satisfy all, but riot removed that so XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

i think there should be a last chance qualifier during this kind of period

GambleNats [#16]

1. it wouldn't be a minority, the casual watcher is not watching a game day with 0 stakes between two bad teams where it would not be interesting. only fans of said team would watch that. and if you do add proper stakes including better teams you would be playing too many matches. you say they have 1 month break but look at their schedule during and after toronto its heavily packed: toronto -> ewc -> regular season with a little break (reminder I do not disagree that spacing could be better, I disagree about more matches)

2. That CN tournament was not apart of VCT, its the same thing as off season, that no team really cares about, winning it means literally nothing.

3. You dont only have practice during officials, 90% of a teams improvement will be during scrims, officials can help with this but again you prio the better teams, not the worse ones.

4. Thats great, but theres also pros complaining that theres too many games being played before. there is no perfect balance of games. The only thing you can reasonably argue for is LCQ to satisfy all, but riot removed that so XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

1. the problem of pros complaining about burnout is due to poor spacing. combining good spacing with more games would overall be healthy for everyone. im not asking to just put 10 more regional games without any good spacing. There is still a long off season that you can work with.

2. its not apart of riot but u get the point. Those teams are still consistently playing more games.

3. scrims and official games are 2 different scenarios. i agree that most of the improvement will be during prac but you cant compare those 2.

NRGSUPERFAN [#18]

1. the problem of pros complaining about burnout is due to poor spacing. combining good spacing with more games would overall be healthy for everyone. im not asking to just put 10 more regional games without any good spacing. There is still a long off season that you can work with.

2. its not apart of riot but u get the point. Those teams are still consistently playing more games.

3. scrims and official games are 2 different scenarios. i agree that most of the improvement will be during prac but you cant compare those 2.

1. The long off season is accounting for the fact of worlds + GC + time for roster moves (visas, contract times, ascension), so no you cant slide in more

2. and again, those games are not playing more vct games. they are not apart of the vct circuit. they do not matter at all in any shape or form, you can legit play an off season tournament and it would be the exact same thing.

3. you cannot be sacrificing top teams so that bottom teams can slightly improve prac