I have massive respect for nadeshot being able to keep Asuna. From what I heard, part of the reason was that he was smart and vocal on the team. But man, there is so much better talent on T2 but to keep asuna is crazy.. Especially when there was a chance to pick up bones
Why still Asuna
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I can tell you don't actually watch NA Tier 2 much because Bones just turned 17
goat1594 [#2]I can tell you don't actually watch NA Tier 2 much because Bones just turned 17
oh damn, I thought he was my age
Bluelive [#3]oh damn, I thought he was my age
I'm confused though you said there was a chance to pickup bones? Why would they pickup bones out of everyone in T2?
If you think Asuna is a problem, I can tell you have not watched the games.
It's simply because Asuna is a couple tweaks from being insane. You see glimpses of it in VCT but because he doesn't understand what he's doing, he's super inconsistent with it. You can't trade something like that away. What if another team has the ability to make the tweaks? Then you look like a complete and utter ...........
Question, why every attemp at scrutinizing Asuna's performance face so much resistence?
Like, even if he really have the potential of being a generational player he had several years to reach it and didnt quite get there
If he couldnt do it, maybe some other talent deserves the spot
Raftlot [#8]Question, why every attemp at scrutinizing Asuna's performance face so much resistence?
Like, even if he really have the potential of being a generational player he had several years to reach it and didnt quite get there
If he couldnt do it, maybe some other talent deserves the spot
Cuz he doesn’t play bad enough to justify the amount of scrutiny he gets? Like I get that at some times there are times where he trolls but I don’t see some other duelists on his level that have been around for a while getting the same amount of attention
ONSLAUGHT_DV [#6]If you think Asuna is a problem, I can tell you have not watched the games.
definitely is a problem. Mid entry to go negative on kd and first bloods almost every game. Cryo is the only reason they are winning games tbh
m4 [#7]It's simply because Asuna is a couple tweaks from being insane. You see glimpses of it in VCT but because he doesn't understand what he's doing, he's super inconsistent with it. You can't trade something like that away. What if another team has the ability to make the tweaks? Then you look like a complete and utter ...........
hi fan club
Rev1va1 [#10]definitely is a problem. Mid entry to go negative on kd and first bloods almost every game. Cryo is the only reason they are winning games tbh
the space that Asuna makes on neon/raze, fk/fd or not, is often the reason why it is easy for his teammates to close out rounds
Rev1va1 [#10]definitely is a problem. Mid entry to go negative on kd and first bloods almost every game. Cryo is the only reason they are winning games tbh
and a big reason why Cryo wins these games is because Asuna takes space
Docta [#12]the space that Asuna makes on neon/raze, fk/fd or not, is often the reason why it is easy for his teammates to close out rounds
sure he takes space but that's the ONLY thing he does. even so, he overheats way too much its crazy. there is a way to take space without going -15 in first bloods. No other team has a player that does what he does for a reason. and no, whenever he doesn't go duelist they actually look cleaner.
nooomy [#13]and a big reason why Cryo wins these games is because Asuna takes space
Cryo is actually playing better without Asuna on a dive lmao.
Raftlot [#8]Question, why every attemp at scrutinizing Asuna's performance face so much resistence?
Like, even if he really have the potential of being a generational player he had several years to reach it and didnt quite get there
If he couldnt do it, maybe some other talent deserves the spot
because he is a good role player and sets up his team well, but gets talked about like he is FNS with screams brain
not every team needs 5 generational aimers, EDG had s1mon, Gen G had lakia, sen had zellsis and sacy, EG had c0m and ethan, FNC had boaster.
putting 5 pure aimers who hit insane clips every match sounds good on paper but has never worked before, you need a guy willing to do the stuff people dont notice (utility, being traded etc)
Rev1va1 [#15]Cryo is actually playing better without Asuna on a dive lmao.
probably because Asuna is a better initiator than he is duelist but whatever suits your agenda
nooomy [#17]probably because Asuna is a better initiator than he is duelist but whatever suits your agenda
So after 4 years they finally realized he isn't a good duelist player? He barely has any experience on initiator. Clearly they have no idea what to do with him.
nooomy [#16]because he is a good role player and sets up his team well, but gets talked about like he is FNS with screams brain
not every team needs 5 generational aimers, EDG had s1mon, Gen G had lakia, sen had zellsis and sacy, EG had c0m and ethan, FNC had boaster.
putting 5 pure aimers who hit insane clips every match sounds good on paper but has never worked before, you need a guy willing to do the stuff people dont notice (utility, being traded etc)
I 100% agree with this. I remember Saadhak on 2022/23 LOUD, not the most mechanical player but a great IGL who was also capable of getting some important rounds
Maybe its an imaging issue? Like, both fans and those who criticize Asuna still see him like that promising player from the days that he still played with Hiko, not for what he is: a solid, if sometimes inconsistent player
Rev1va1 [#18]So after 4 years they finally realized he isn't a good duelist player? He barely has any experience on initiator. Clearly they have no idea what to do with him.
This just exposes more that you know nothing about him he’s been playing initiator for the last 3 years lmao, he’s an entry similar to CS. Cryo is the awp player. Duelists don’t always apply to role it’s very flexible that’s the point of valorant
Raftlot [#19]I 100% agree with this. I remember Saadhak on 2022/23 LOUD, not the most mechanical player but a great IGL who was also capable of getting some important rounds
Maybe its an imaging issue? Like, both fans and those who criticize Asuna still see him like that promising player from the days that he still played with Hiko, not for what he is: a solid, if sometimes inconsistent player
Thing is though you are looking at 2022/2023. You need to have 5 players all with good mechanics. It's the reason G2 are so dominant right now. If you look at current NRG currently or FNC last year or KC recently they struggled with debatably good igls.
DelusionalAdvisor24 [#20]This just exposes more that you know nothing about him he’s been playing initiator for the last 3 years lmao, he’s an entry similar to CS. Cryo is the awp player. Duelists don’t always apply to role it’s very flexible that’s the point of valorant
Talking about Asuna? Dude has been 90% duelist for 4 years? Can you link me the VLR ur looking at please
DelusionalAdvisor24 [#20]This just exposes more that you know nothing about him he’s been playing initiator for the last 3 years lmao, he’s an entry similar to CS. Cryo is the awp player. Duelists don’t always apply to role it’s very flexible that’s the point of valorant
Not every duelist can play like an initiator and even so, Asuna does not. He takes first contact very frequently and overheats, a real ini player would not.
Rev1va1 [#18]So after 4 years they finally realized he isn't a good duelist player? He barely has any experience on initiator. Clearly they have no idea what to do with him.
he has been playing initiator to a good standard since before franchising, you are just exposing yourself as someone who doesnt watch the games
Rev1va1 [#21]Thing is though you are looking at 2022/2023. You need to have 5 players all with good mechanics. It's the reason G2 are so dominant right now. If you look at current NRG currently or FNC last year or KC recently they struggled with debatably good igls.
Bro what he’s known for his mechanics, movement, intelligence, communication, selfless playmaking. He sacrrifices good stats for his team, being the distraction, jumping around corners, and more
I swear you haters don’t watch any 100t games, his impact is insane
Rev1va1 [#21]Thing is though you are looking at 2022/2023. You need to have 5 players all with good mechanics. It's the reason G2 are so dominant right now. If you look at current NRG currently or FNC last year or KC recently they struggled with debatably good igls.
G2 is the strongest argument in favour of my points right now, JonahP and trents biggest impact on the game comes through their utility and intelligence which helps leaf, valyn and jawg succeed
Rev1va1 [#21]Thing is though you are looking at 2022/2023. You need to have 5 players all with good mechanics. It's the reason G2 are so dominant right now. If you look at current NRG currently or FNC last year or KC recently they struggled with debatably good igls.
This is also fair and true, but while you need 5 players with good mechanics, I dont think you need 5 nuclear bombs, and both Asuna and Saadhak fit this category
nooomy [#24]he has been playing initiator to a good standard since before franchising, you are just exposing yourself as someone who doesnt watch the games
Objectively he is a duelist player. The stats are right there. Doesn't matter if he plays a good initiator when he does go initiator 1 out of 5 times. Clearly 100t want him to play duelist mainly but it isn't working out. This isn't my opinion its a stat please ask me if you need the link to the vlr
Raftlot [#19]I 100% agree with this. I remember Saadhak on 2022/23 LOUD, not the most mechanical player but a great IGL who was also capable of getting some important rounds
Maybe its an imaging issue? Like, both fans and those who criticize Asuna still see him like that promising player from the days that he still played with Hiko, not for what he is: a solid, if sometimes inconsistent player
it 100% is that people expect him to be the 50 kills on icebox reyna like he was when he came into the scene, but much like TenZ ended up doing, he is most effective when in a supporting role.
I also think the teammates around him arent necessarily an issue, but their agent pool forces him to play subpar agents rather than ones he is best at.
Ive watched every game since 2022, and I can say that Asuna in that time has played fade, skye, kayo, gekko, tejo and yoru to a good standard, even if the sample size isnt too big. The only initiators he isnt great at is breach (who he played) and sova (who he hasnt).
If Cryo could play all duelists and zikz was willing to put eeiu on breach, then we'd be speaking about Asuna as a guy who is a really good initiator, but unfortunately cryo cant play raze or neon particularly well, so Asuna is forced onto Raze and Neon where he just doesnt have the mechanics to play both of those agents well.
I think that Cryos ability to play Yoru could transform 100T if he cleans the util up a bit. They'd look 10x better putting him on Yoru/ Jett or Iso on every map and just running eeiu breach and Asuna tejo, with Boostio on second controller or sentinel
Rev1va1 [#28]Objectively he is a duelist player. The stats are right there. Doesn't matter if he plays a good initiator when he does go initiator 1 out of 5 times. Clearly 100t want him to play duelist mainly but it isn't working out. This isn't my opinion its a stat please ask me if you need the link to the vlr
hahahahha you really are just looking at stats lmao moron
Rev1va1 [#28]Objectively he is a duelist player. The stats are right there. Doesn't matter if he plays a good initiator when he does go initiator 1 out of 5 times. Clearly 100t want him to play duelist mainly but it isn't working out. This isn't my opinion its a stat please ask me if you need the link to the vlr
he is on a duelist role because of his teammates inability to play raze or neon. Cryo is worth sacrificing Asunas numbers for but if Cryo could play raze then Asuna wouldnt play a single round of duelist
DelusionalAdvisor24 [#25]Bro what he’s known for his mechanics, movement, intelligence, communication, selfless playmaking. He sacrrifices good stats for his team, being the distraction, jumping around corners, and more
I swear you haters don’t watch any 100t games, his impact is insane
Didn't even mention 100t here or asuna. just talking about in general
nooomy [#32]he is on a duelist role because of his teammates inability to play raze or neon. Cryo is worth sacrificing Asunas numbers for but if Cryo could play raze then Asuna wouldnt play a single round of duelist
Correct, movement agents fit his ability to gain space and they use that quite well to win games
nooomy [#32]he is on a duelist role because of his teammates inability to play raze or neon. Cryo is worth sacrificing Asunas numbers for but if Cryo could play raze then Asuna wouldnt play a single round of duelist
Thank you. that is my point. His job on the team is to be that raze or neon player. But honestly it doesn't look like it's working out.
DelusionalAdvisor24 [#34]Correct, movement agents fit his ability to gain space and they use that quite well to win games
"moron" jeez really defensive. I think im entitled to my own opinon as you are yours. for example, you believe they use his ability to gain space well enough to win games and I don't hence the last 4 years achievements the team has had
Rev1va1 [#36]Thank you. that is my point. His job on the team is to be that raze or neon player. But honestly it doesn't look like it's working out.
okay but who do you replace him with then? Who else is willing to play duelist/ initiator while being as good with initiator util as Asuna is? how realistic is it to get them? do they comm as well as Asuna? do they have as good an attitude as Asuna? is it worth to make a swap mid season?
Rev1va1 [#37]"moron" jeez really defensive. I think im entitled to my own opinon as you are yours. for example, you believe they use his ability to gain space well enough to win games and I don't hence the last 4 years achievements the team has had
We ain’t talking about opinions your projecting them as facts
nooomy [#38]okay but who do you replace him with then? Who else is willing to play duelist/ initiator while being as good with initiator util as Asuna is? how realistic is it to get them? do they comm as well as Asuna? do they have as good an attitude as Asuna? is it worth to make a swap mid season?
his comms are a little over the top tbh. Just needs to calm down a little. I think they need to see this season through especially if they make playoffs but after that they should start looking. The thing is i think ur right here actually the pool to choose from is pretty bad actually, might have to wait for even after champs. They had all of last off season to make changes though, and nadeshot was bitching on twitter about the current roster not too long ago so they might already be trying
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