This match turned out to be the deciding match as to whom qualified for the Champions!!!
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LIQUID VS FNATIC
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ritdro2211 [#2]you could say envy vs gambit also was a decider
more like NV vs 100t was a decider , winner wouldve made champions
RIP_BOZO [#4]more like NV vs 100t was a decider , winner wouldve made champions
i mean if envy won 100t would also have qualified
so there were a lot of deciders
ritdro2211 [#2]you could say envy vs gambit also was a decider
It was 100t vs Envy that decided who gets a spot
Bro if Riot had above 80 IQ they would give G2 more points for 3rd-4th at Berlin than just 325.
It's funny how Fnatic BARELY find success in every esport this year - reverse swept 3-2 TNC Predator to qualify for TI, won 3 mega close 3-2 games in LEC lower bracket to qualify for Worlds, now this shit with Champions. I will laugh if they somehow go to PGL Major as well.
Olofboost [#7]Bro if Riot had above 80 IQ they would give G2 more points for 3rd-4th at Berlin than just 325.
It's funny how Fnatic BARELY find success in every esport this year - reverse swept 3-2 TNC Predator to qualify for TI, won 3 mega close 3-2 games in LEC lower bracket to qualify for Worlds, now this shit with Champions. I will laugh if they somehow go to PGL Major as well.
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Olofboost [#7]Bro if Riot had above 80 IQ they would give G2 more points for 3rd-4th at Berlin than just 325.
It's funny how Fnatic BARELY find success in every esport this year - reverse swept 3-2 TNC Predator to qualify for TI, won 3 mega close 3-2 games in LEC lower bracket to qualify for Worlds, now this shit with Champions. I will laugh if they somehow go to PGL Major as well.
they did reach the finals of a masters event so they deserve more
ritdro2211 [#9]they did reach the finals of a masters event so they deserve more
Reykjavik was a shit tier tournament, I was watching games and asking myself "what are these teams doing? Are they dumb?"
Current G2 or Envy would thrash those Sentinels and Fnatic, let alone Gambit and Vision Strikers. More relevant events should give much more points.
PrTsty [#3]nah
liquid wouldve needed to win against nuturn aswell
I mean that would most probably be in favour of liquid and moreover, they even earned 50 points from challengers playoff, where fnatic failed to qualify.
It would have been a tie on 350 points if they had lost to Nuturn
Olofboost [#10]Reykjavik was a shit tier tournament, I was watching games and asking myself "what are these teams doing? Are they dumb?"
Current G2 or Envy would thrash those Sentinels and Fnatic, let alone Gambit and Vision Strikers. More relevant events should give much more points.
i agree bro.
ritdro2211 [#9]they did reach the finals of a masters event so they deserve more
They should give way more priority to the latest Masters over the others, the latest performance is the one defining what’s the shape of the team before champions. Futbolist that hasn’t qualified for anything since masters 1 is in LCQ over Giants or Navi for example
Mortadelo [#13]They should give way more priority to the latest Masters over the others, the latest performance is the one defining what’s the shape of the team before champions. Futbolist that hasn’t qualified for anything since masters 1 is in LCQ over Giants or Navi for example
Fnatic in champions over G2, Liquid
Olofboost [#10]Reykjavik was a shit tier tournament, I was watching games and asking myself "what are these teams doing? Are they dumb?"
Current G2 or Envy would thrash those Sentinels and Fnatic, let alone Gambit and Vision Strikers. More relevant events should give much more points.
they did get through emea quals and deserved to be there and G2 werent even near so your point of it being less relevant doesnt make sense
you gotta give credit where its due for fnatic
and comparisons between 2 events with varied Metas isnt fair at all
maybe next meta fnatic might be a beast and show why they deserve the champions spot
ritdro2211 [#15]they did get through emea quals and deserved to be there and G2 werent even near so your point of it being less relevant doesnt make sense
you gotta give credit where its due for fnatic
and comparisons between 2 events with varied Metas isnt fair at all
maybe next meta fnatic might be a beast and show why they deserve the champions spot
It’s not about meta it’s about recent results, Champions is now, not 5 months ago. Every region should have the best representation possible
Mortadelo [#13]They should give way more priority to the latest Masters over the others, the latest performance is the one defining what’s the shape of the team before champions. Futbolist that hasn’t qualified for anything since masters 1 is in LCQ over Giants or Navi for example
they did coz fnatic got 350 pts while envy got 375 pts
ritdro2211 [#15]they did get through emea quals and deserved to be there and G2 werent even near so your point of it being less relevant doesnt make sense
you gotta give credit where its due for fnatic
and comparisons between 2 events with varied Metas isnt fair at all
maybe next meta fnatic might be a beast and show why they deserve the champions spot
G2 were absent at Stage 2 (not even EMEA Finals), got 3rd-4th at Stage 3
Fnatic were absent at Stage 3 (not even EMEA Finals), got 2nd at Stage 2
Hmmm who deserves Champions more? Those who were good 4 months ago or those who are good now? Hmmmmm...
Mortadelo [#16]It’s not about meta it’s about recent results, Champions is now, not 5 months ago. Every region should have the best representation possible
so everything that happened in the first part of VCT doesnt matter??????
then you could just wait for the last event of the year and save all your strats and win
Mortadelo [#16]It’s not about meta it’s about recent results, Champions is now, not 5 months ago. Every region should have the best representation possible
I do agree that G2 should've gotten more points than Fnatic for doing better later in the year but if they are truly the best representative for EMEA they'll make it through the LCQ bracket
Olofboost [#19]G2 were absent at Stage 2 (not even EMEA Finals), got 3rd-4th at Stage 3
Fnatic were absent at Stage 3 (not even EMEA Finals), got 2nd at Stage 2Hmmm who deserves Champions more? Those who were good 4 months ago or those who are good now? Hmmmmm...
the team that finished 2nd deserves it more than a team that finished 3-4th
ritdro2211 [#15]they did get through emea quals and deserved to be there and G2 werent even near so your point of it being less relevant doesnt make sense
you gotta give credit where its due for fnatic
and comparisons between 2 events with varied Metas isnt fair at all
maybe next meta fnatic might be a beast and show why they deserve the champions spot
why you malding bro?
ritdro2211 [#22]the team that finished 2nd deserves it more than a team that finished 3-4th
There were just 5 teams from major regions (NA, EMEA, KR) at Reykjavik
There were 9 teams from major regions (NA, EMEA, KR) at Berlin
It was way easier for Fnatic to get 2nd place back then, because there wasn't as much competition coming from strong regions
Mortadelo [#18]Not enough
sentinels got 400 pts from reykyavijk so you r saying the winners of a masters shud get same or less points than a team that came 2nd in another masters???
ritdro2211 [#25]sentinels got 400 pts from reykyavijk so you r saying the winners of a masters shud get same or less points than a team that came 2nd in another masters???
what?!
Olofboost [#24]There were just 5 teams from major regions (NA, EMEA, KR) at Reykjavik
There were 9 teams from major regions (NA, EMEA, KR) at BerlinIt was way easier for Fnatic to get 2nd place back then, because there wasn't as much competition coming from strong regions
but they were one of 2 representatives of emea and remember they beat gambit to secure that spot
you could say that is harder than being the 4th representative of emea
ritdro2211 [#27]but they were one of 2 representatives of emea and remember they beat gambit to secure that spot
you could say that is harder than being the 4th representative of emea
Gambit wasnt that good back then ( 1st EMEA tournament). Even FPX had beaten them
DeathStroKE [#28]Gambit wasnt that good back then ( 1st EMEA tournament). Even FPX had beaten them
sooo..??
that doesnt discredit their achievement
they were top 2 in emea and the world and deserved more points than g2 who only finished 3- 4th
ritdro2211 [#20]so everything that happened in the first part of VCT doesnt matter??????
then you could just wait for the last event of the year and save all your strats and win
Of course it matters, but it can’t matter as much as the last one, it should be 200 points for first masters 300 for second and 400 for third.
ritdro2211 [#25]sentinels got 400 pts from reykyavijk so you r saying the winners of a masters shud get same or less points than a team that came 2nd in another masters???
The semifinals of masters 3 should give more points than winner of master 2. It took you 87 comments but I think you got it yes
Mortadelo [#30]Of course it matters, but it can’t matter as much as the last one, it should be 200 points for first masters 300 for second and 400 for third.
that is too much difference in pts between tournaments making the earlier ones kinda less important and that isnt fair
Mortadelo [#31]The semifinals of masters 3 should give more points than winner of master 2. It took you 87 comments but I think you got it yes
this doesnt make sense at all
I think its kind of insane that Fnatic will be there instead of both G2 and TL (or even SMB). Like they had amazing run in Reykjavik, but everything after that has been meh. Especially when you think about that NA will send teams like SEN, Envy and then like 100T/XSET etc. while Fnatic takes one of EMEA's spots. Fnatic could come back really strong, but the whole point system is really faulty in my opinion.
Fregs99 [#34]what everyone is saying makes not sense, fnatic are still a very solid team who just came up short against a strong team liquid who were within one round of knocking out the worlds best gambit
Team Liquid wasn't that strong. They didn't make it through week 2 and even in week 1 they looked pretty weak only clutching out in 2 last games against Fnatic and Giants. Also the whole Gambit game was choke from Gambit. They couldn't close out Icebox even though Jamppi was invisible that game. You still need to remember that they were the biggest chokers in the world before Berlin. Also their gameplay looked better in Berlin and isnt comparable to their EMEA gameplay.
Fregs99 [#34]what everyone is saying makes not sense, fnatic are still a very solid team who just came up short against a strong team liquid who were within one round of knocking out the worlds best gambit
They lost to Tenstar omegalul
patuj [#37]Team Liquid wasn't that strong. They didn't make it through week 2 and even in week 1 they looked pretty weak only clutching out in 2 last games against Fnatic and Giants. Also the whole Gambit game was choke from Gambit. They couldn't close out Icebox even though Jamppi was invisible that game. You still need to remember that they were the biggest chokers in the world before Berlin. Also their gameplay looked better in Berlin and isnt comparable to their EMEA gameplay.
they even lost to NaVi
Olofboost [#7]Bro if Riot had above 80 IQ they would give G2 more points for 3rd-4th at Berlin than just 325.
It's funny how Fnatic BARELY find success in every esport this year - reverse swept 3-2 TNC Predator to qualify for TI, won 3 mega close 3-2 games in LEC lower bracket to qualify for Worlds, now this shit with Champions. I will laugh if they somehow go to PGL Major as well.
This man...
This man out here is speaking in truth
Thank you for your service
yanir [#21]I do agree that G2 should've gotten more points than Fnatic for doing better later in the year but if they are truly the best representative for EMEA they'll make it through the LCQ bracket
This makes sense as well
Good point
ritdro2211 [#29]sooo..??
that doesnt discredit their achievement
they were top 2 in emea and the world and deserved more points than g2 who only finished 3- 4th
But who would you prefer going to a major event? A team that did good 5 month ago and right now didnt even make it to EMEA finals, neither could win against tenstar in LVP rising series like 3 weeks ago.
Or a team that is doing good now, finished 3rd/4th in berlin (harder than reykjavik). Beat Fnatic two times without dropping a map in the journey to qualify for EMEA finals.
yanir [#21]I do agree that G2 should've gotten more points than Fnatic for doing better later in the year but if they are truly the best representative for EMEA they'll make it through the LCQ bracket
But then you’re taking that opportunity away from teams like SMB or Liquid that are probably better than FNC currently
ritdro2211 [#33]this doesnt make sense at all
Bro a event from a month ago should matter way more than a event that took place 5 month ago. Because that shows the team's form before Champions. In champions I want teams that are in their best form, not teams that are qualified for the form they had a long time ago. Now because of that one of G2/TL wont make it and both are better than Fnatic right now when it matters, because champions is in a few months, not 5 month ago
MrCrespito [#42]But who would you prefer going to a major event? A team that did good 5 month ago and right now didnt even make it to EMEA finals, neither could win against tenstar in LVP rising series like 3 weeks ago.
Or a team that is doing good now, finished 3rd/4th in berlin (harder than reykjavik). Beat Fnatic two times without dropping a map in the journey to qualify for EMEA finals.
well the circuit was made to reward performances throughtout the year, Fnatic's peak was better than G2's not in level of good valorant but raw results, they were the runner up. The points for the masters were decided prior to teams competing so there is no point complaining, they won their points fair and square.
Mortadelo [#43]But then you’re taking that opportunity away from teams like SMB or Liquid that are probably better than FNC currently
You're right but this is a tournament that's all about achievements, which Fnatic has more of.
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