TSM roster changes

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zen-o

sadge for tsm
since theyr'e out of lcq and not gonna compete in any majors for 6+months
do you guys think that there's going to be massive roster changes (and that includes subroza and wardell) in the later future?

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SamTheGreat47

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I think if one gets dropped the other one is gonna leave

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SamTheGreat47

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but realistically neither is ever gonna get dropped

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Asphyxia

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Prob keep levi bc he's just super important to the structure of the team prob. And they won't replace Wardell bc of his brand. Other than that. I think it's possible for any one of them to be replaced.

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Asphyxia

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Prob most likely a 6 man roster. I can't see much else happening.

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WARDELLSTAN

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Subroza has a bigger brand.

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Asphyxia

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Ehh I think Wardell is slightly more popular. But if either of them get dropped. The other prob leaves. Idk. Honestly I think TSM might want to actually replace them though at some point. Like 6 months is enough time to develop a new roster in scrims. And I really feel like they should keep levi though. Because whatever is in him. Just makes the team click.

6 man roster is the most likely thing to happen but TSM will probably be too idiotic to handle it.

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AltonBu02

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wardell used to be much more popular, but he got lazy with streaming and now roza is more popular.

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Asphyxia

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oh i didn't know. I don't watch either of their streams anyways.

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WARDELLSTAN

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Subroza and Wardell aint leaving/getting dropped.

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Zaynio

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Keep Levi and Wardell. Subroza is a maybe since he is such a inconsistent player; he can be the best skye in the world or the worst player in the world. Hazed's igling is just not it at the moment and when they lose rounds, they seem to make extremely desparate plays.

Get a solid controller, solid IGL, and a solid entry player.

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zen-o

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+jammyz -hazed
not sure if theres any solid igl in the market rn

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Zaynio

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Jammyz was a solid viper but did he fill in the astra role?

As for IGL, there really isn't much out there but once LCQ passes + champions, rosters will start shuffeling again.

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Why would someone be sad for TSM? They haven't achieved anything. Even if they would have gotten a spot, just to get smashed by the other NA teams and other regions.

Well, it would be nonsense to say that they haven't tried, but they haven't tried hard enough. In the early days, they saw that they can beat most of the NA teams, and they were contended with that. After each team started to improve around them, they still remained the same old TSM since day 1. They failed a tournament, when the second came, they stuck to the same old agent roles and so on, and when the 3rd came, same story... If they would have addressed their mistakes early on, they would have qualified for Champions until now. And lastly they did what? Tried to change everything in the last couple of months, and that's not how it works.

I said early on, way before tailored was cut from the roster that they need a better coach. Everyone was laughing at me saying that. I always said, the problem wasn't the original 5 members, but the coach. Polished they could have attained new heights.

So, why would someone be sadge over them if they do not deserve to make it?

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You sound like a bandwagon that just liked Acend coz they were winning lulw

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EdmondN1

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You clearly do not know what bandwagon means. If I was that, I would have changed my team flair until now.

The hipocrisy back at you, mate. Tell us, how many times you changed your flair and the country flag?

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GetsystheGr8

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TSM is out... I had fnatic flair for Iceland too sooo.... plus morro and flag was for roza kekw

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pewpew

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Bandwagon or not, TSM management is a joke. Wardell the same shit over and over again, not a single successful Jett in the scene is OP only and I dont think he will be the first. Subroza is all comedian talk, roza that roza this. Hazed is just a mehh IGL, Levi and Bang just too young, not even close to other youngings like Asuna or even Zekken.

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Zaynio

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bro wardell and cned literally do the same thing with the awp shit and AR occasionally. Levi is a great sova tf are you on about. Have you seen his stats?

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pewpew

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Dude, I am glad you mentioned stats, go look up their last run.

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I dont think TSM gave bang enough time tbh

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Yeah, but to be fair, you don't get much time playing for a big org like TSM. You develop in a smaller team and then climb up. Just like how zekken, yay, android, and many others did. TSM was just hoping bang would bring something to the table and he clearly didnt do enough. At least not enough to qualify. Or, to put it another way, Bang could be a great player but because TSM management made the change too late, there wasnt enough time for Bang or Levi to develop.

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zen-o

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I just like their personalities man, it's not that deep.
but fair on chet being a problem

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EdmondN1

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I know, I was rooting for them, initially. Drone personality is just great.

As I just said above, the problem lied with the coach, not the initial 5 members.

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zen-o

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yeah, I was rooting for them, that's why I felt sad (?)

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EdmondN1

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But sadly, nice personalities do not win us anything. You know what does? Hard work and trying even harder than before.

I was cheering for Acend way before they became known as Acend. While in NA, I liked Drone personality and playstyle, and I was cheering for them. But when you see that they're doing the same silly mistakes over and over again, you do not even want to watch their matches anymore because you already know the results.

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Zaynio

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the point is you feel sad because they didn't make it? Why are you giving us a pep talk on hard work when the topic is about feeling bad about them not qualifying when they had a chance to...?

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zen-o

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^^^

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Zaynio

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bro, you're sad because your favorite team can't qualify.

Simple human emotion and you analyzed the wrong stuff. You cheer for a team because you like them and you hope they succeed. Because they HAD the chance to qualify based on the results, people were hopeful. But like all things in life, hope gets crushed in the face of hard reality, and in this case, reality really did win.

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GetsystheGr8

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Rush was trailing... but I think they should bring in somebody else... maybe from EU a good CS player

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zen-o

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+NBK

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Hoeka

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I think theyre gonna keep Levi, a problem they have is not keeping younger players around long enough to gather experience, bang should be put on Academy team tbh. I also think that maybe TSM might pick up Rush, I'd be suprised if he plays controller though, thats what the team needs.

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Now that TSM isn't in LCQ, picking up RUSH makes much more sense. They can enter into smaller tournaments, get used to RUSH, his play style, ETC

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PunisherXPR

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Wardell and Subroza are good enough to be built a team around, and Levi is probably staying unless they manage to grab an even better Sova player. Hazed should definitely be replaced, and probably the coach too.

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zen-o

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tbf levi is a real good sova player, just not as good mechanically as your average t1 player

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-hazed

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Fat_Lard

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I mean they're probably gonna have a core 3 of Wardell, Subroza and Rush. They will probably also keep Leviathan and then the only real question in my mind is whether they decide to keep hazed or not. Given the fact that the IGL market in NA is quite small, I doubt they will drop Hazed unless a good IGL gets dropped or something. Maybe Stanislaw switches over to Valorant and TSM decide to have him as IGL with Rush, Wardell, Subroza and Levi. I doubt there will be much news except for whatever news there is about Rush/Bang's replacement.

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subroza is their super star, I am sure they are not going to replace him