IS GMB EU or not.

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When 100T beat GMB
CIS ISNT EU

WHEN GMB destroying G2
CIS=EU

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CIS
theyre EMEA

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EMEA = Europe, middle east, africa. So is CIS = africa?

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CIS is Commonwealth of Independent States

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EMEA = Europe/Middle East/Africa
So as per my knowledge,
Russia is not in either Middle East or Africa.
So ummmm........................
Do the maths ?

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i honestly have no idea here

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They EU, we dont talk about the europaen union, we talk about the continent europa. If gambit isnt EU so liquid isnt EU aswell, great britain isnt in europaen union.

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guys its riot that decided to include CIS in the EMEA rapresentatives https://imgur.com/de3cOrE

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Well they are apart of europe

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It's not riot, By official standards, Russia is Included in EMEA.
I mean it's kinda complicated but it is what it is as long as they qualify through a same region, they are representing a same region.

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Russia is in Europe tho?

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Eurasia ....

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Russia is bigger than entirety of europe areawise and extends into asia aswell as europe boundary wise. However majority of the area is part of asia

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Nosey

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however the 80% of russian population lives in the European Russia

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The thing is that all gambit players and generally all cis players are from Europe. So idk wtf you guys are talking about

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And the EMEA, they are from the Europe side. Middle East is Turkey and close clountries and Africa we know what is

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lets say emea

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GMB is EMEA not EU

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Cause Russia isnt in European Union

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idk who said gmb arent isnt emea when they lost but for me gmb are emea

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call them EMEA ez :)

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Theyre EMEA

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When GMB lost to 100T: Gambit dogshit we don't accept them!!! They are CIS!!! Bunch of chokers!!!
When GMB destroying every other team: Welcome to EMEA club.

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True

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Classic eu casters

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Gambit dogshit we don't accept them!!! They are CIS!!! Bunch of chokers!!!

Not a single soul has said that btw

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u clearly weren’t on vlr after 100t vs gmb

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there is only 1 person I saw??

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You should check some post-Icebox / post-Split threads about Gambit

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Well no way to do that rn, but i checked the main thread 100t-gambit and only one person said gmb isn't EU and it's a SEN fan w/o flag trashtalking EU so...

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oh you pulled out "stop generalizing" card

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nobody said this > When GMB lost to 100T: Gambit dogshit we don't accept them!!! They are CIS!!! Bunch of chokers!!!

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You say it so factually as if everyone said that. I don't anybody who said that.

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EMEA is Europe, Middle east and Africa and im pretty sure Russia isnt african or middle eastern

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That is the general use of the term based on the full form but, rito breaks it up as West EU, turkey and CIS (former Soviet bloc) because of ping/ language etc issues

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It should be ECT tbh

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yhey are eu today but when they lose tomorrow they are cis

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maciune

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No, there will be 20 times less people to say that they are cis when they lose, than the amount of people saying they are eu when they win

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they wont lose you flopper player

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Itsover

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Every player on Gambit is ethnically european except for nats, so

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Azaqa

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Are you dumb theyre all russian

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Nats is Tatar, rest are Russian, I think I know a bit more about Russia than u cuz I'm half Russian half Belarusian and I have relatives in Smolensk and Petersburg.

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They are CIS, and EMEA with EU and TR. And they are European.

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EMEA is Europe, Middle east and Africa and im pretty sure Russia isnt african or middle eastern

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yes but only 23% russia is in Europe rest of 77% is in asia🙄🙄

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what about population tho?

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yes but 80% population in Europe 🙄🙄

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🙄🙄

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only one guy said that and it was a troll, probably not even from Europe.
CIS is not EU (like in European union), but if EU means Europe then yes.
for most people, at least in esports, EU = Europe, but we are all representing EMEA so better go with that.

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if we are talking about georaphy then they are from EU BUT in esports Europe and CIS are 2 different regions.

in geography GMB = EU, in esports GMB = CIS

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nope, CIS is a region WITHIN EU
Take a loom at the EMEA playoffs, EMEA stands for Europe, Middle east and Africa, CIS goes into Europe. The only reason it has a seperate region within EU is because of where it is located and the large population.

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nope, CIS isn't a region WITHIN EU, it's a region within Europe
CIS is like EU both are economical regions and both are in Europe

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ah ye mb, I actually meant Europe by EU

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In every esport CIS and EU are treated as separate except for this stupid EMEA shit in valorant so EU have copium when their teams inevitably get shit on

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f4lcon

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In every other relevant esport NA is getting dicked on except for Valorant so NA has copium when their teams accomplish something here and think they're the shit.

Garbage fucking argument.

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Azaqa

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Yes NA is actually good in this esport unlike almost every other esport which is why EU need copium. You proved my point.

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justadude

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Who cares, why NA gets to claim continent not just US for example? So we will claim whole Europe to not just EU.

Canadians players > Americans players

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Azaqa

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Are you stupid? Thats like saying why do EU get to claim the continent and not just sweden...

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My point is EU should be able to claim whole continent and not just a region or a country, but I guess you are lost.

This might help:
https://www.vlr.gg/41674/na-copium-guide

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This is so stupid. NA in esports has 2 countries while EU has 40+ countries competing for the region so don't be stupid

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justadude

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Europe > NA stay mad

Also NA and EU are overlapping you can be in both at the same time so one more reason to do continent vs continent :))

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FreakCarry

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Everyone knows esports wise what NA means what EU means and CIS means

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Pravitel

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In cs gambit is CIS team in valorant Emea

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it's CIS not EU smh

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It's not EU. It is CIS (EMEA).

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you are a weirdo

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CIS>EU in valorant and CSGO

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you are mad and will be slaughtered by 100T today
scratch that I want envy to win I love FNS too much

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Russia is EU when winning and CIS when losing.

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russia major part is asia
so asia>all
emea joined russia to carry them

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verybestplayerworld

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major part is Asia yet 80% of the population and the capital is in Europe O M E G A L U L

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who cars

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who cars

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Is CIS

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They are both europe like smb,Riot seperated both Turkey and Russia from europe at first and it sucked in Lol now they are trying to unify them with tournaments they are not still calling them Europe but EMEA (even there is no middle east and african team) I am so happy to see turkish players and Turkish teams on european stage i am pretty sure russian are too

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gambit is EU atleast according to NA after 100T vs GMB

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Opt

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How about we just accept that Europe is a political construct not a distinct geographical continent and leave it up to the individual to decide :). People have been debating “is Russia Europe” for literal centuries, I don’t think vlr.gg users really have much to add to the discussion.

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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sKjiG1KTvds/UlbyFEU1i7I/AAAAAAAAHW8/Rjw3P5ZbVKo/s1600/journal.pone.0005472.s007%5B1%5D.jpg

This is the answer to "is Russia Europe", or else the UK used to be asia and France used to be Africa back in the days.

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Opt

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What are the axis on this graph? The geographical continent is Eurasia, where the dividing line is depends on what criteria you want to use, there is no objective answer.

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Itsover

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This is genetic distance between nations of Europe.

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Opt

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Pretty sure Australians are extremely similar to Europeans genetically, doesn’t make Australia part of Europe. Genetics is one criteria of many.

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There is no such thing as "Australian", unless you mean Australian aboriginal people. White Australians are mainly of British descent. White Canadians and Americans are European as well no matter how much you try to deny it, you speak a European language and have European genetics.

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That's exactly what I'm saying dude, european genetics in a region doesn't make that region europe. I have european genetics and don't live in europe, easy to argue same thing about Russians. The boundary of Europe is blurry and genetics is not a particularly solid argument for where to draw the line, esp considering the many ethnic groups in Russia. It's a complex geopolitical and historical question that relies on one's individual cultural perceptions and education. No need for the aggressive tone.

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These "many ethnic groups" have their own names(like tatar, bashkir, nenets, udmurt etc) , the genetic study I posted refers only to "russkije" aka ethnic Russians, Russian language has 2 words for "Russian": russkij and rossijanin, the latter meaning all ethnic groups in Russia and the former meaning only ethnic Russians.

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which side is which?

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Well same could be said for NA:
When Gambit was rolling 100T on Ascent and Half Icebox, NA fans : CIS isn't EU
But when 100T did a comeback.
NA 2 EU 0
OmegaLuL so there are lots of degenerates on both sides captilazing on situations just exactly what you are doing rn.

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if they win they will be EU if they lose they will be russian

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MilanTheMyth

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you mean the opposite?

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They all EMEA
WHEN SMB PLAY GOOD, THEY TR. PLAYING BAD, THEY EU
WHEN GAMBIT PLAY GOOD, THEY CIS. PLAYING BAD, THEY EU

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They’re considered as EU. If Gambit win Berlin you eu fanboys can finally speak all the shit you want to those Americans. Don’t let them get away with all that garbage they spoke after Iceland.

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yeah as Brasil and USA is America kekw

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Lets make it simple

Russia is part of Europe , meaning the continent. (GMB is part of Europe)
Russia is part of EMEA. (Europe is in EMEA, GMB are part of Europe)
Russia is not part of European union(EU). (GMB is not part of EU)

TLDR;
EU = NOPE
EMEA = YES
Europe = YES

idk why everyone is calling us "EU", when EU is the political constitution, we should be called Europe or EMEA.
We do not call you "US" as well, but rather the "NA" because that what it is from geographical point of view, not political.

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in esports EU = Europe not European Union. cuz people from Britain also play.

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i dont care what is in esports, but they are wrong and it tilts me. EU is official abreviation for European Union.

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true.

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EU is also short for EUrope

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https://www.abbreviations.com/EU

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it is wrong short what NA people made and are using incorrectly, because they don't understand what are they actually talking about

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well its like esports term, saying NA vs Eu is shorter then saying Europe but alr

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it is, but they asked about the facts

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Finally a decent comment. I think in Esports people understand EU as Europe as a continent, even if it's wrong

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THEY PLAYING FOR EMEA.
BUT THERE IS NO MIDDLE EAST (ME) OR AFRICA (A) IN THIS SO WE CAN SAY THEY PLAYING FOR EU TECHNICALLY.

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EMEA - Europe, Middle East and Africa. Europe would include CIS here.

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yep. Russia - Gambit is in the Europe part. Middle east part is mainly TR teams and from Africa there isnt any team.

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Actually TR teams are in İstanbul's europe side and nobody in Turkey likes that middle east word. Calling middle east to TR came up by bush at 2000's, it's not official or anything just political. Some people consider TR as middle east some doesn't. There isn't any middle east map or union, there is arabic union kinda staff if I'm not wrong and 13 country from middle east is part of that, as you can guess Turkey isn't.

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EMEA. Russia is internationally an EMEA country. And the argument that EMEA doesn't include CIS doesn't count when Riot exclusively gifts 3 spots to CIS in EMEA playoffs.

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EMEA is used most often in situations involving international trade and business. It is less of a political term and more of a geographical term. For example, a nation outside of the EMEA, like the United States, might talk about Russia as part of the EMEA. Bolivia might say the EMEA when they mean Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and India. The point here is that the EMEA is not a complete set-in-stone term. While it most commonly refers to Europe, the Middle East, and Africa, it is not uncommon for other nations to tweak the countries they include under the umbrella term.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/emea-countries
j read this. Its vague, Riot decides which teams r in emea

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Why is this even a question? Russian team, Russian org and plays Emea region

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UK, Norway and Switzerland are also EU for esports despite not being members of the European Union. So yes Russia are EU.

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I would say CIS is a subregion of EU like Scandinavia, Balkans. Russia is clearly European, Kazakhs get a choice though imo if they're CIS or Asia imo.

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The European part of Russia is home for 80% of Russian people, so basically, yes. They are part of Europe. Mostly.

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The Commonwealth of Independent States (or CIS) is an international organization established in December 1991, which consists of states that were previously part of the USSR (not all).

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is this a geography forum lmao

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gmb is not EU as Russia is an Eurasian country and even If they compete with EU region that doesnt make them part of EU. This is like saying Oceania is NA.

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They play on EU server,
Mostly against EU teams,
Most of Russia lives in the EU side,
Even if u don't agree what I said on top,
They play as EMEA
But cuz no ME and A got a match we can say it's just E - Europe which is EU, TR, CIS
So they do play for EU