Chamber or I retire

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kalayav_n

Yay has the weakest agent pool in pro play?

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kalayav_n

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im talking about yay? i dont mean the weakest agent in pro play i mean the yay has the weakest agent pool in pro play. He can only play chamber to champions level and average jett.

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i mean there were plenty of chamber/jett merchants back pre-franchising, they just didn't have the high's of yay so we don't even hear abt them anymore

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f0rsaken was one but he became the goat of flex players

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kalayav_n

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f0rsaken is the goat

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f0rsaken could also play raze though iirc(its his second most played) im talking purely jett/chamber

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kalayav_n

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Less is probably the best viper and one of the best cyphers. Less wasn't just restricted to chamber and thats the problem.

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idk why less was even brought up lol

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kalayav_n

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Because Less was playing chamber for loud in the chamber meta, the reason I brought him up was because I'm trying to prove why agent pool is very important, especially with meta shifts. It's why YAY fell off really hard.

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less never felt comfortable on chamber though lol(at least compared to how comfortable he was on viper, which is why when LOUD switched to him on viper at champs they did better)
so its a bad example because he was never a chamber merchant
edit: he didn't benefit from chamber meta, you have to use someone who benefited from it

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kalayav_n

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? https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf/?game=95134&tab=overview
this is vs yay, hes played chamber consistently in champs 2022 on chamber.
after the nerf he made the full switch to cypher/viper

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he played chamber in 50% of maps that they played at copenhagen, compared to only 29% of maps played at champions 2022
edit: additionally, every member besides sacy played chamber at some point for LOUD. it wasn't only Less's job

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kalayav_n

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yes but this is mainly because of value of chamber. Also map vetos plays a big role in these pick %. Loud don't favor chamber maps for Less because he isn't just restricted to chamber. Whilst FNS and Optic stated they did favor chamber maps and picked maps where chamber excels well so that they can play with YAY. Thats why less picked chamber 2 of the 3 maps they usually play against optic. HAVEN and FRACTURE but not breeze because of the halls trip and the B main trip.

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u forgot abt this https://www.vlr.gg/130624/optic-gaming-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2022-group-stage-winners-b/?game=95051&tab=overview, ure simply a yay hater

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kalayav_n

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do you even know what im debating or are you just randomly saying shit

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Im fucking high i read it completely wrong

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kalayav_n

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nah your good bro. i kind of worded it wrong too on my end

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Viper

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His raze looked decent ngl it wasn’t that bad

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💀

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you would generally want your raze players to be good, not just decent. especially when you are paying a huge amount for someone who takes up import spot

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i mean it was his first raze debut and he did not bad with her

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i didnt say he was bad lmao

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agent pool is fake. aspas been playing only jett raze his whole career and hes the goat

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Yes but being able to play raze is important asf because if you can't play raze it either means perma map bans for you or role issues. Lev can play almost any map because Aspas can play all duelists and isn't restricted. YAY however if no one on his team can't play duelists, they can't pick bind because they have to risk YAY having to pop off on an agent they can't play that comfortably or well.

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Neon Viper Skye Raze Jett

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y0y not beating the allegations

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Many duelist only play Jett/Raze

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this is so sad i hate yay so much hes not good so overrated breaking up teams and hes toxic

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kalayav_n

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ngl idk if hes toxic or anything but the guy is no longer good. FROM HERO TO ZERO! don't ever compare him to ardiss or aspas lol