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why is he now not allowed to watch party intl events??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WWhDInNCaM

azureblade101

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he doesnt care about valorant, he legit said it in the vid, guy has no passion for anything and hes so salty like a lil baby

plus he doesnt even talk about the match most of the time, just yapping about his cars and watches or wtv the fuck he has going on

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TheLegend27

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He said he don’t care unless it makes money, which I think is fair. He treats valorant like a job, it helps him make money, and if he wasn’t making money he wouldn’t play/watch

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bhggjkl

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His only passion is farming money from his kid viewers

TeoEmil

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His ex accused him of some shit and a verdict was never given. Basically everyone in the valorant sphere is ok with it and don’t believe the victim, but a lot of kids here and on tiktok take them very seriously to this date. Therefore there’s a big divide in the community and riot probably got some support tickets from some randoms saying he was watch partying it actively or smthn.

The people treating Sinatraa as guilty, while jerking off every pro player in the community; tarik, s0m, fns, marved, zombs, dapr, xeppa etc as if they shouldn’t be criticised for actively supporting and playing with him are major weirdos ngl. Most of them probably just dislike his persona and weaponises that against him since they show no criticism towards their fave streamers/players for being friends with him

PuGGey

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Get off his knob

TeoEmil

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I give flat out the most objective take on the situation while staying neutral to both sides and calling out blatant hypocrisy and double standards yet your verdict is that I’m riding some streamer? Im not the one parasocially supporting sen and their players on a daily basis, you are my friend.

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PuGGey

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I have better things to do than break down how nearly everything you said is either untrue or inaccurate but ill leave some bulletins

you should believe victims, especially when they have an entire google doc and audio clips backing themselves up. she very obviously "dropped charges" because she was having people threatening her
there really isnt a divide. most people arnt weirdo's and dont go out of their way to defend rapists. there is no silent majority either here on this site or anywhere else in valorant spaces idk how you got that impression
zombs and dapr are absolutely weirdo's for associating with him you are correct. but youre just listing off NA streamers after that, im pretty sure ive seen FNS call him a nerd, ive never seen tarik play w him and he doesnt play with weirdos like jasonR either

youre not "objective" about shit, youre yapping and disparage a victim

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TheLegend27

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I don’t like sinatraa but you can’t use that google doc as actual proof for rape like everyone keeps saying. The doc mainly just shows how shit a person and boyfriend he was. And that 15 second audio clip which just sounds like some weird role play that she secretly recorded and didn’t release till years later ain’t proper evidence. Don’t you think if he raped her she would’ve broken up with him rather than him breaking up with her months later?

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Uncleben

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Please don’t ever use that last question again. It is horrible logic and victim blaming. Rape/abusive relationships comes with many psychological conditions as well, such as self-hate, guilt, Stockholm syndrome etc.

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TheLegend27

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Ye I get you bro, but this relationship was more like a mentally abusive relationship if at all rather than a physical one from the google doc which is why I said that. It just seems more like a ex trying to get back at a boyfriend for regretting their relationship. Which is very common

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Halleluhwah

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"Don’t you think if he raped her she would’ve broken up with him rather than him breaking up with her months later?" has to be the worst sentence I've ever read on this website

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HLZeron

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Believe victims cause they wrote a document and provided an audio clip of 5 seconds without any context and didn't proceed to show it in it's entirety is crazy. Objectively that document showed both parties were immature if anything at best. At the end it was a she he said situation that didn't progress anywhere because legitimate proof would stand up well in court. You should never automatically believe one side, it is always imperative to take a look at both sides without bias

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endless1

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backing up what you said but "you should always believe victims" is kinda wrong, especially when the person being accused is famous, unless they have really good evidence, like she did w the audios and what not i believe in innocent until proven guilty

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HLZeron

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I don't believe the audio clips showed anything as they were chopped up and never showed to its full extent. Surely if the entire thing was so incriminating than what is the harm in detailing and showing the full audio clip? Why only 5 seconds. The "believe all victims" is a dangerous mindset and it is entirely why we have a court of law and system where both sides are taken into account. Blindly believing one side without even considering the other is a horrible thing to do in any situation

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X6MCOMP

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yeah you've def never been in a relationship in your life if this is your thought process. exes are crazy, lack of women interaction makes you people put these liars on pedestals, can't blame you though, it's not your fault

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TheLegend27

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Facts. From the doc it was obvious both of them were toxic to each other, which shows even her trying to find the stuff that caters to her narrative the best still shows her in a bad light. Imagine if the doc was made from sinatraa then these “evidence” earls would be swapping their sides even though it would quite literally change nothing

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FNS often speaks positively about him

i agree you should believe victims, but that is presupposing that she is. i don't know whether she is or not, but what i can tell you is that an audio clip is such weak evidence nowadays, especially with the tools available (AI, cutting) and there's no way of knowing the context etc surrounding it. judging by your downvotes there isn't a 'silent majority'. simply, that it's not generally well liked to label people as things in cases in which all you have heard is a <30s audio clip and an accusation. do i claim that Sinatraa is therefore 'not' a rapist? ofc not. but there is certainly not enough evidence for you to label him as such either.

Jezy

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smthlikeyou11

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finally some real unbiased take on sinatraa
and regarding that audio thing that looked like they were playing around and she later weaponized the audio clip. Also an audio clip is very easy to replicate and fake, I'm not saying it is but just some insight.

Uncleben

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That being said the vast majority of rape accusations are statistically accurate (something like 90%), so the most objectively correct take on the situation is to not have an opinion lmfao

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Cookierookie577

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exactly, I don't know why people think that just because a verdict wasn't given out, it didn't happen. Fuck that dude regardless

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smthlikeyou11

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yea for all we know he could of 100% done it but its just wrong to accuse someone when we don't know for sure, sinatraa for all we know could of been done 100% dirty, but riot is playing smart and avoiding getting caught up in controversy that may damage their image

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XanXanUk

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you can't use statistics when talking about specific cases

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Uncleben

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I’m using it for this specific case because the case was never taken to court
On one hand we have innocent until prove guilty and on the other hand we have statistical chances of a fake accusation
So at the end of the day it’s best to just not have an opinion on this case and let the law/riot do its thing

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smthlikeyou11

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this is what I'm saying u may not like his personality but labeling him as a r****ist when u don't know if he did it or not is just wrong

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XanXanUk

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you are contradicting yourself

im using stats to say that he is quilty (90% im right)

better not to jump to conclusions and let the law\rito do its thing

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Uncleben

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If 10% of death row inmates are innocent, does it makes sense to execute all of them?

There is a reason why due process exists, so you cannot call Sinatraa a rapist.
However, due to stats, the chance of him being INNOCENT, is not the most likely outcome.

So ultimately, if it isn’t your business, best not to be involved

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XanXanUk

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But you ge tinvolved by saying that he's most likely is guilty

Like, you say it's better to not have an opinion, but in the end you hint that the allegations are most likely accurate. And you cant use stats like that.

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XanXanUk

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To use your example you point at a guy and say "yep, he most likely (90%) deserves death penalty"

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TheLegend27

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The case wasn’t taken to court because she dropped the charges after originally trying to sue him. That’s why everyone says he was falsely accused, since she dropped the charges and pretends like she hasn’t

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Astar

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this is the type of argument that people use to argue against women rights

ik there's always 2 side of coins in everything

but only few people would stand still for their own morality belief im just saying

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Ryszafiell

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I don't like any of the pro players who support him. I only watch Sliggy. His personality is dogshit and it showed in the audio where he sexually assaulted her.

valorant_player

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too busy filling out mcdonalds applications