whos the goat of valorant?

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kanyefan4238173

ive thought abt it myself but im curious what most ppl say

just upvote someones answer if you agree

i myself think derke is the goat but im not sure of it

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b0tke? 🤣

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well you can say others fs

but yay and aspas (for example) only rlly had one elite year

yay was good at the end of 2021 and start of 2023 but rlly was just 2022

aspas was not elite in 2022 and 2024 hasnt been great so far, he only really had 2023

derke was great always

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Don't make me laugh

if you are going to take these 2 examples.

yay was elite 2021 and 2022

aspas was elite 2022 and 2023, and he is still going to be elite 2024

how can you say derke has always been great when fnatic is also out of madrid?
If you mention aspas 2024 hasn't been great, derke's has also been shit.

derke was good 2021 and 2022
mid asf 2023, team carried him
And is showing to be an absolute bot right now,

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derke was great 2021, 2022, 2023

idk how a year where he wins 2 tournaments with a 1.13 R and the third best player on his team can be 'mid'

also aspas elite 2022? but derke mid 2023?

aspas was the lowest rated player in the champs win, lower than saadhak igl. not to say he was bad, but your bias shows STRONG

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2 tournaments yet the only real team he had to face was loud.
b0tke
during lock in
he faced 3 teams that didn't make a single international event and NAVI (in which he botfragged against navi.)

Tokyo
Beating an NRG that would come to lose to billibilli
PRX with a sub.
EG that barely had time to prepare since demon1's visa was barely in time.
EG again.
Outshadowed by all of his teammates except boaster.

Champs
got fucked all over.
Outshadowed by all of his teammates except boaster again.

Aspas 2022
Got out of tier 2
Destroyed BR Tier1
Absolutely carried in Reykjavik, despite the 3-0 loss against optic in the finals he was only 0.02rating behind yay in that match.

Copenhagen
Was good in copenhagen despite what happened...

Champs
Not the best rating wise, but one of the most impactful, fucked optic in upper finals, carried grand finals breeze (16-14 OT)having multiple MK and diffing yay on chamber

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he was better than chronicle AND boaster at champs

again its just your bias and the lens you place.

i dont have ties to either team, derke 2023 was definitely not mid

and aspas 2022 was definitely not 'elite'. elite means a lot more than winning champs with lowest rating on the team

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So, aspas and loud being 2nd in Reykjavik doesn't matter? In which aspas hard carried even in grand finals despite losing 3-0?
Copenhagen, even with loud bombing out, he still did good compared to the rest of the team.
Champs 22 he was not the best rating wise but won multiple important rounds and carried the grand finals breeze that went on 16-14 OT by himself.

And chronicle was way better than botke in champs 23.
https://www.vlr.gg/248280/drx-vs-fnatic-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr2
https://www.vlr.gg/247095/fnatic-vs-bilibili-gaming-valorant-champions-2023-group-stage-winners-c
https://www.vlr.gg/248278/fnatic-vs-fut-esports-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr1

The games he was better than chronicle were the 2 against loud, in which chronicle hard threw. (loud way better LULW)
and the zeta one, in which chronicle did decent, and derke still managed to go -2 in FK despite the 2-0 win.

But since you bring nothing to your table except saying that aspas champions rating was the lowest in the team, ignoring the other 2 events, i should stop losing my braincells debating with you.

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bro i was never gonna take you seriously, was never a debate

you said winning 2/3 tournaments with a 1.13 R is a 'mid' year

i dont even think ur wrong, i just dont care to debate anything because your understanding is faulty

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wykes

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its not hard to win 2 events in a year when your team was made to win.

Alfajer
Leo
Chronicle

Derke was never the elite of fnatic during 2023. Most people agree with this.

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and derke, who performed better than chronicle

he performed accordingly to the teams performances, which was winning 2/3 trophies

far better than 'mid'

continue thread →

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objectively probably chronicle

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y0y

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in terms of achievements, Chronicle
in terms of clout probably Tenz

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MuZe

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derke? kek, bro had an absolute disasterclass kickoff (bottom 10 stats) and got carried by alfa and leo last year

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kickoff is derkes oinly bad event. my guy was consistent whole of 2021, 22,23 and won 2 events. he is deffo up there in the goat conversation

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Derke never was the best player in the world even tho he was consistent.

In 2021 it was TenZ
In 2022 it was yay
In 2023 he was overshadowed by his teammates Leo and Alfajer and demon1 and aspas were better than him.

Could never be in goat convo.

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straight facts

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its honestly really hard to decide, i personally think aspas given his consistency and longevity. But given that valorant is still so new its kinda hard to pick one

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babybay

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tenz

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Saadhak or Less

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iammika1999

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its chronicle still, if loud wins its saadhak

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saadhak literally the most valuable player in the world, but you're not ready for this conversation. Literally irreplaceable

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got owned few hours ago by a clout org

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atm chronicle

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theres no goat like how in league its faker cs s1mple

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Agreed. Game is too new. The future goat might be a 15 year old that’s hardstuck plat 2.

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objective: Chronicle
my goat: nAts

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My humble goat naTs

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Chronicle

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Tomaszy

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D0rke

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we gotta have vct for like at least a decade i feel before declaring a goat

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Semen1

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chron

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Liem

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2021: tenz
2022: yay
2023: leo

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Where was TenZ in Berlin and Champs stats tell me?

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Liem

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who else is best player 2021?

nats wasnt at reykjavik

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21: Nats internationally, tenz if you include masters 1
2022: yay
2023: leo
overall: saadhak

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me. i am the goat of valorant

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sadhaak

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juugobr_

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I think its too early to claim who's goat or not but obviously there's some candidates already.

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2020 MWzera

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BabyJ

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Psion

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ima just put this here for you
Comparing Saadhak and Derke
International events missed
Saadhak 1, Derke 3
Event wins
Derke 2 Saadhak 1
Champions wins
saadhak 1 Derke 0
Igl
Saadhak yes Derke no
Podium Finishes
Saadhak 5 Derke 3
I am not saying Saadhak is better, its just something to think about. you are entilted to your own opinion

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Asuna, debate is over kids

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Saadhak

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Saadhak and Jinggg are the GOATS, but you guys are not ready for this conversation

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kanyefan4238173

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saadhak understandable

jinggg has only ever won apac league

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Ullyr

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kangkang after this year

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Statistically, it's Jinggg he was a statistical anomaly from all the masters and champions he attended but it's unfortunate he doesn't have a trophy.

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Psion

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you need accolades and statistics and jingg only really has 1 of those

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s1mple

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Asuna