Benefits of franchising

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name 1 good thing to come from it

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best tournaments and league splits

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best tournaments?

best splits?

how...

there is nothing about franchising that made this Champs better than the one before: it was just production...

Splits were same as always, just less competition... less teams from NA...

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Last year we also had a close circuit dude, literally the only thing that changes is the name

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last year we had a closed circuit? the teams had to qualify...

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The teams had to qualify once, from there on there was an ascension system just like now, and no, they were not gonna reset and make teams qualify every year from 0. So literally the same

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12 NA teams before, 4.5 now....

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bro who tf cares, yall act like there was more than 4 tier 1 na teams last year

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says the most inflated region, with over 40+ Challengers teams, an ALL EMEA VCT that still cant produce more than 1 good team (MEMEA YALL BAD AF)

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Yeah most regions only have a few good teams, that’s why franchising is better lol, tf is the point of having optic and fpx play a bunch of shit teams in their leagues

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EMEA has 10 teams... NA has 4.5...

continue thread →

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Yh cause franchising def represents the best teams and players right? I would argue M80 and TGRD in 2023 were better than SEN, 100T, and other Americas teams. And to make things worse, we got teams like C9 trying to make budget rosters making the number of spots for top players even less.

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Wtf does that have to do with Franchising, you're complaining about slot distribution, not franchising

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franchising is about available slots... it was far more before... far more flexibility for changing rosters as well...

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That's literally like fucking saying you don't like franchising because you don't like bo3's. That just doesn't make sense, NA having fewer slots is not an issue of the franchising system

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partnership concentrates the 10 best teams in a region in one place, EG would not be that good if they weren't playing loud and instead playing trick aim in T2

those 9 league games + playoffs is more entertaining than having a bunch of different lame event to qualify for regional events where t1 teams just stomp

Franchising just concentrates talent into an actual tier 1, it makes sense

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EG were playing SEN and C9 before franchising...

youre delusional

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cboomer

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now they play explicitly tier 1 teams and compete

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consistency, stability

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bro said stability

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lmao stability lmaooo they basically gutted all of tier2

tier 4 CS has more stability than Valorant

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who cares at least we get to see the 10 teams in a region duke it out that's good enough

building a healthy T2 ecosystem is always difficult for a newer FPS

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4.5 NA teams... the most visible region has the least representation.. make it make sense

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wdym "least representation" that's a pretty good amount of teams

if we're being honest here, the highest tier of competitive NA talent only stretches 5 teams anyways

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4.5 is deserved

NA only has 1 hood roster (and they only started to get good after demon1 joined)

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You clearly have no idea how business models work in esports

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You clearly believe Riot has any idea of how to run an FPS esport

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Yes. They wouldn't be here if they have no idea how to run things.

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get memed

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Partnership with riot, league skins

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RetiredRadiant

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what benefit has come from the partnership for the wider community?

what league skins? we've had skins for champs since 2021

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The orgs r getting paid by riot right? Not to mention massive orgs who has a lot of fans. Would u rather c sen vs ur-mom or sen vs 100t.

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i forgot that before franchising it was ur-mom vs sen and not sen vs optic

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Franchise system has made Valorant have Better teams, Have super Teams and Have a System where Teir 1 players have to play in same environment. Also More Valorant content and Better games for the audience to witness.

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'better teams'... delusional

how was this not possible before?

look how the c9 superteam went...

people like you make me think val is hopeless, you just mindlessly repeat riot without any self-consciousness

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Benefits of franchising:

Thanks for watching

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Balance of representation. In pacific without franchising, we probably get PRX/ZETA/TLN and 7 Korean teams.
Same goes in americas, without franchise we probably not get to see 3 BR and 2 Latam, just majority advanced rich NA teams.

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Disagree with the balanced representation. Look at India's representation, Indo's representation, Pinoy's representation. Politics, nepotism, the system is still flawed.

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mostly financial stability. that's what they're built for. not heightened competition.

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the stability for whom? doesnt seem stable for anyone involved at the moment. not sure a stipend from Riot is all that large. Champs skins dont need franchising, CS Majors do it with an open circut

but I appreciate your comment and I look forward to your reply <3

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the teams. that's who matters to riot. their "players first" marketing has been proven wrong time and time again. riot are a business and their business is making money, and in their eyes orgs are the conduit for that. stipends are pretty large, reported to be ranging from 600k (base stipend) to 1.2M (+400k for deliverables set by riot, usually regarding marketing).

in 2024/2025 we're expecting to see team skins, not just champs skins. can't do that with an open circuit (cs has stickers, not skins), can't do that with riot's current shop system and you won't EVER have an open circuit over a riot IP.

that's why the orgs get paid by riot to be in the partnership. that's why the LoL leagues are franchised. that's why the LCSPA and AVPA exist (to protect players from riot's teams-first decisions), etc etc.

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those are sizable deliverables, but they are still less than tier 2 Albanian CS team made from stickers in one year from CS (they made over 3 million...)

stickers are an in-game cosmetic that generates revenue for a team, doesnt really matter if its a skin or not: the same concept in both games, but one profits way more for orgs than the other (the other is just not earned, its sheer nepotism, aka rito)

once again, i appreciate the thorough response, unlike from others on this thread

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i assume you're talking about BNE? i don't really follow cs anymore. in any case, that one team made more in one year than riot made in their champions bundle altogether (3M vs. the 2.something the bundle made this year). the scale of the community and what % of it flocks to those stickers/passes to support the major teams is gigantic in comparison to the same numbers that flock to support partnered teams.

valve has implemented crowdfunding methods very well over the past few years, dota 2 TI and cs stickers being the greatest examples of that. not sure what the numbers are for the Worlds LoL passes and a quick google search won't help me, but there's a reason LoL struggles to turn a profit.

when you keep boiling down these decisions and differences, they all come down to one thing: riot's dev-managed closed system. it is the fundamental reason for most of the differences between this game and CS. it's not pretty for a lot of things, but it's great for financial stability. why do you think the blast partnership and louvre agreement exist?

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blast partnership and louvre agreement exist?
For money but still more open than riot

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for money... exactly. not discussing open vs. closed here. you arrived at my starting point.

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Money

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firo

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stipend and teams play on lan

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skgoatssi in tier 1 and at international lan

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so far nothing except even less competitive matches

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DeluluGavin

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financial stability plus with the big boys moving up to franchised league, talents can have more opportunities to give a shot in challengers? maybe

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it was good for CS

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Content worth infinite threads on VLR bc we have more than one thread about franchising everyday