Updated regions ranking

1 - EMEA

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1st 1st 4th for the year EMEA is clearly the best region

Bro snuck EMEA in there 🫵🤣

bonkashi [#4]

1st 1st 4th for the year EMEA is clearly the best region

Best team =/= best region imo, though it certainly contributes a great deal. I think a better comparison of regional strength is to take away the best team in both regions and see how they compare. Then do that with second best, etc. Feel like doing it that way (for specifically Americas VS EMEA) makes Americas come out on top more often

Non-troll placements:

1st - AMERICAS: 2nd, 2nd, 1st (1.667 average). Number of teams in top 4: 1, 2, 2 (5/12 total).
2nd - EMEA: 1st, 1st, 4th (2 average). Number of teams in top 4: 2, 1, 1 (4/12 total).
3rd - PACIFIC: 3rd-4th, 3rd, 2nd (2.833 average). Number of teams in top 4: 1, 1, 1 (3/12 total).
4th - CHINA

JewishBanana [#6]

Best team =/= best region imo, though it certainly contributes a great deal. I think a better comparison of regional strength is to take away the best team in both regions and see how they compare. Then do that with second best, etc. Feel like doing it that way (for specifically Americas VS EMEA) makes Americas come out on top more often

amerifrauds cherry picking results as always to make them seem better
why would you discard the best results if we're talking about the region as a whole?
choosing the placements that benefit your region the most doesnt make any sense 😂

bonkashi [#8]

amerifrauds cherry picking results as always to make them seem better
why would you discard the best results if we're talking about the region as a whole?
choosing the placements that benefit your region the most doesnt make any sense 😂

Nah it was just an algorithmic way to compare the holistic strength of one region to another. Wasn’t trying to cherry pick. If you have a better method, I’m all ears.

Edit: also wasn’t discarding those results but setting them aside. I agree that Fnatic is better than EG on paper, but there’s more to a region than just the best team

China clears everyone

Yk what's funny to me? America's fans think Americas is better because we are a 1 team region. Meanwhile to me this event has kinda proven how our seeds number 4 and 5 Giants and NAVI are clearly better than Americas 4 and 5 KRU and LEV.

So now, that argument they have been using all year saying that FNC > Americas > EMEA works against them.
I have heard "The level of a region is not defined by its beast team" all year long. So what happens now that EG and LOUD are above but all the rest of the region is far behind?

Mortadelo [#11]

Yk what's funny to me? America's fans think Americas is better because we are a 1 team region. Meanwhile to me this event has kinda proven how our seeds number 4 and 5 Giants and NAVI are clearly better than Americas 4 and 5 KRU and LEV.

So now, that argument they have been using all year saying that FNC > Americas > EMEA works against them.
I have heard "The level of a region is not defined by its beast team" all year long. So what happens now that EG and LOUD are above but all the rest of the region is far behind?

Your 2 seed Team Lulquid legit got dog walked 0-4 🤣

Gratis [#12]

Your 2 seed Team Lulquid legit got dog walked 0-4 🤣

EG > LOUD > FNC > FUT > NAVI > GIA > NRG > TL > KRU
based on their placements and using the placements of the team that eliminated them to untie

Mortadelo [#13]

EG > LOUD > FNC > FUT > NAVI > GIA > NRG > TL > KRU
based on their placements and using the placements of the team that eliminated them to untie

fair enough, valid ranking

Mortadelo [#11]

Yk what's funny to me? America's fans think Americas is better because we are a 1 team region. Meanwhile to me this event has kinda proven how our seeds number 4 and 5 Giants and NAVI are clearly better than Americas 4 and 5 KRU and LEV.

So now, that argument they have been using all year saying that FNC > Americas > EMEA works against them.
I have heard "The level of a region is not defined by its beast team" all year long. So what happens now that EG and LOUD are above but all the rest of the region is far behind?

Actually a pretty good point. I’d have to dive deeper into placements and stuff to present a counter argument but I aint trying to do that on my phone at work lol. All I’ll say is that something to consider is that you have more teams competing, so it can make a direct comparison between two similarly seeded teams a bit fuzzy since EMEA has more chances to do better than their given seed

Onyx_FPS [#7]

Non-troll placements:

1st - AMERICAS: 2nd, 2nd, 1st (1.667 average). Number of teams in top 4: 1, 2, 2 (5/12 total).
2nd - EMEA: 1st, 1st, 4th (2 average). Number of teams in top 4: 2, 1, 1 (4/12 total).
3rd - PACIFIC: 3rd-4th, 3rd, 2nd (2.833 average). Number of teams in top 4: 1, 1, 1 (3/12 total).
4th - CHINA

Flawed stat. If a region hypothetically won champs, masters, but got grouped in another tournament would be worse than a region who finished 4th every tournament

JewishBanana [#15]

Actually a pretty good point. I’d have to dive deeper into placements and stuff to present a counter argument but I aint trying to do that on my phone at work lol. All I’ll say is that something to consider is that you have more teams competing, so it can make a direct comparison between two similarly seeded teams a bit fuzzy since EMEA has more chances to do better than their given seed

Fair, the actual point I really wanna make is to try and eliminate a little bit that perception that America's average level is higher than EMEA's average level. Because that really is up to every team individually and varies a lot. And looking at it from a fact perspective is just not true

Mortadelo [#17]

Fair, the actual point I really wanna make is to try and eliminate a little bit that perception that America's average level is higher than EMEA's average level. Because that really is up to every team individually and varies a lot. And looking at it from a fact perspective is just not true

Yea I think it’s a lot closer than most think. It’s like a question of “is having the best team plus some mid teams better or worse than having a few solid teams?” And with how close especially some of these recent games have been, there’s a strong case for both sides

bonkashi [#4]

1st 1st 4th for the year EMEA is clearly the best region

Nah probably would place na at first cuz of the evil geniuses and emea/southeast asia at 2nd

bonkashi [#4]

1st 1st 4th for the year EMEA is clearly the best region

2nd 2nd 1st = 1.666
1st 1st 4th = 2

math works out that americas clears

Valgod [#16]

Flawed stat. If a region hypothetically won champs, masters, but got grouped in another tournament would be worse than a region who finished 4th every tournament

For a region to have to bomb out of a tournament, all 4 (or 5) of their teams would have had to bomb out. It's statistically unlikely, and I'd argue if all 4 or 5 teams in a region were at the very bottom of an event, they deserve that ranking below the more consistent region. A single tournament is 33% of a region's ability to showcase their competitive strength. Additionally, if that "bomb out" happened in a smaller international event like Masters Tokyo (compared to Champs), their best placements would have been 1, 1, and 10 (or 9) - that's either 4 or 3.667, so average or better than the 4th place average region you think would be gauged as better.

vipermommydomme [#20]

2nd 2nd 1st = 1.666
1st 1st 4th = 2

math works out that americas clears

ok now take the median and try again stop cherry picking stats ty

TipTop [#22]

ok now take the median and try again stop cherry picking stats ty

tw allat:

median is typically used when an outlier/outliers is/are present in a dataset. for the 4th place finish to be an outlier, it would have to be greater than 1.5iqr + q3, which it is not. therefore using the median is not a valid measure of spread in this scenario

TipTop [#22]

ok now take the median and try again stop cherry picking stats ty

Thats like saying if EMEA got dead last in Champions they're still the best region in the world. Median doesn't work out bud.