-vic and Crashies?

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Zekken and Trent clear no?

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Zekken is horribly overrated. Stop trying to get him into NRG

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https://www.vlr.gg/183774/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w1

https://www.vlr.gg/183781/nrg-esports-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w2

https://www.vlr.gg/183787/leviat-n-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w3

https://www.vlr.gg/183807/evil-geniuses-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w6

https://www.vlr.gg/183814/kr-esports-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w7

https://www.vlr.gg/184032/sentinels-vs-furia-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w8(He can’t play breach but still raze diffed)

https://www.vlr.gg/232730/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-2023-americas-last-chance-qualifier-ubqf

https://www.vlr.gg/232732/cloud9-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-last-chance-qualifier-ubsf

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bro did not want to lose the argument 💀

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Anything for my goat 🗿

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SigmaMale

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Now show me the stats where victor and zekken faced off against each other

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I did?

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Where

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Second link

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What does it prove

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You asked for it ask yourself

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SigmaMale

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did you even check the match page

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Zekken still played well Lmao

continue thread →

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JustHunter

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my guy just got destroyed with all the receipts, sit down

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He might start thinking before he types now 💀

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so braindead

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NRGs only real problem is lack of firepower right? These two are young talent who consistently frag unlike vic and Crashies

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Crashies is consistent he had one below average tournament, Trent doesnt come close.
Zekken could be an upgrade but I would much rather have Zekken over Ardiis than Vic.

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Makes sense but if Crashies doesn’t step it up by the end of this tourney, then I would say Trent is a better option

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based on what tho? Trent shouldnt even be in this conversation, he is so overrated.

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Based on the fact that he is consistently TGRDS best player and absolutely farmed ascension + I don’t think this is a sure way for nrg to become good it’s then gambling on young talent for chances to increase firepower

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Lets not compare Ascension to real tournaments tho, despite the guard being good, we have seen them and Trent drop the ball before, and Crashies shoudlnt even be in the conversation to be replaced given he is the second caller to Fns

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Ardiis is top ACS player in the tournament rn? Isnt your opinion kinda braindead?

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TrialRunnr

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LMAOOOOOOO bro is basing the whole torunament off one game, how fking braindead are you?

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When was vic ever good then? 💀

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Americas league Vic outperformed Ardiis,
Americas playoffs Vic outperformed Ardiis,
Masters Tokyo Vic outperformed Ardiis. and was a top 10 player

Do I need to say more or do you need more convincing that you are braindead?

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Americas playoffs ardiis was better than Victor

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1189/champions-tour-2023-americas-league?exclude=17107.17108.17109.17110.17111.17112.17113.17137&min_rounds=0&agent=all

Masters Tokyo Victor wasn't that much better than ardiis
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1494/champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo

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Yeah top 9 vs top 26 is really not that much better

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Just as #2 said, Zekken is overrated + Lets wait till Champions ends before making any judgments

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What makes you say zekken is overrated?

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-crashies??????? huh???

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If they don't kick at least one of Víctor or trashies, ardiis and s0m should just leave the team. Wasting their talent with washed pros

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I think ardiss is the problem, man is way too inconsistent

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That’s the problem, nrg has good grabbers but Crashies is slumping a little rn, vic and Ardiis are both insanely inconsistent

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i swear the 12 year old SEN fans have the worst takes on this website.. there is more than just frags which are taken into account while making a team.. Crashies and Victor on Optic have cleared XSET (where Zekken had his best results) and The Guard at the international stage. They simply wouldnt fit the team culture + have you seen how vocal crashies and victor are? crashies is literally the second caller in the team and adds much more value than you see on the scoreboard

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Come on bro.. they were the worst player on the best team while zekken and Trent were best or second best in their team. Let's not act like Valorant is not a team game...

Crashies util is still very good, and there's an argument to be made that they are still better as a duo, but you def are underestimating zekken and Trent ngl

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Braindead. Sentinels added Sacy, Pancada and Marved for firepower and how did that work for them? literally 0 achievement and it is because of OP's braindead takes which is 100% of Sentinel fanbase. Team culture and chemistry clears any kind of firepower argument.. picking the best players and putting them on a team wont get you results

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I disagree highly?
Sentinels was just a project doomed to fail.

Fnatic added Leo and chronicle for firepower look how it went for them.

EG added Demon1

PRX added something

Firepower is a need in this meta. All top teams are busting with firepower except for NRG.

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Fnatic kept their core of Boaster, Derke and Alfa.. EG kept their core and so did PRX. These teams are literally examples of how having a strong team culture, chemistry and core is more important than picking the best and slotting them in. Removing crashies and vic for zekken and trent will mean they will have 5 different players from 5 different cores..

Indian Fnatic fans are the definition of braindead

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IF nrg struggle at champs then changes clearly need to be made, s0m and FNS def stay and sure you keep Crashies

But either vic or Ardiis should be replaced atleast

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vic will not be replaced. Chet/FNS are not idiots like Sentinels to replace players based on scoreboard performance. If ardiis leaves it will be because he couldnt fit into Optic style of play

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Zekkens fragging has improved ten fold this year while Nrg are struggling with firepower, sure keep Crashies but if vic can’t consistently frag then he is a liability no?
What Nrg need is more firepower and zekken is an insane fragger when he is in the duelist/flex role

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#25 and #33

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I get what you mean but if the firepower on the team is not enough then more needs to be Added, zekken is a very flexible player who would bring insane firepower to the team and make them a championship contender, they can still keep the optic playes while making changes w Ardiis/victor

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dropping crashies and Victor may genuinely be the stupidest thing NRG could do rn ngl

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Why would zekken and trent leave their franchised team for dogshit team like nrg lmao

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For international lans?

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Nrg is going to fell off next year.

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Sadly nrg clears both teams

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There is no nrg without the og food and crashies duo sadly

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Even zekken for Ardiis makes this team much better imo

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no, the FNS-victor-crashies core is absurd

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Victor and crashies LAN experience is all you need to keep these guys they have been through everything (highs and lows). Trent and zekken are amazing players prolly better than them individually but how good will they perform on the big stage nobody knows. Let these guys play on big stage as they are still very young then we can talk about this

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Its more of a gamble then a clean upgrade imo, its a risk I would take but NRG might not

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L take

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I am a believe now

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zekken cleans fartiis keep vic and crashies

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Whose gonna replace victor? Who is a better flex player in Americas league? He or S0m have been statistically NRG’s best player year long and he can play almost every role.

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Zach keen

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Bro didn’t preform better than victor in one tournament in 2023 all year long

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Have u seen how many more rounds Nrg have won then Sen, look at games Sen won vs games Nrg won and zekken will have much better stats then victor, even look at games where Sen got a map and you will see

Plus victor is good only problem is he is inconsistent

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I’m not sure Zekken is that consistent either, or at least he wasn’t in the past. Flex players by nature are inconsistent. FNS also mentioned that victor helps with attack side midrounding. I think Zekken is equal to victor and has more potential but Victor should not be the first/ only one dropped on NRG.

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Very good points BUT Zekken has been incredibly consistent throughout lcq and Americas, he’s obv improved a lot since last year plus I feel like eventhough vic is very good zekken has better aim then him and similar gamesense(vics is prolly slightly better but zekkens will improve with time) and zekken is also a massive caller

What nrg need rn Is firepower and zekken is an incredible fragger(then again zekken is prolly the best NA duelist rn and Ardiis is dog)

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aint no way people want victor dropped after that series stfu

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fns vic crashies core is so strong, but ardiiis is a joke, keep s0m and -ardiis +zekken(or tenz)

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not tenz either -ardiis +zekken or -ardiis +yay cause the chemistry will be there for yay

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ALL I HAVE TO SAY: LOOK AT FNS'S PAST 100+ MATCHES
Sure, you can argue he is a good igl but he is literally bottom of his team EVERY SINGLE MATCH BASICALLY. Other teams igl's have popoff games where they actually perform but fns always never performs.

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and he got outbrained by biank kkkkkkkkkkkkkk

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FNS brain is huge, but u cant get away with good strats anymore at this point in the pro scene, you need firepower to back it up.

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Zach keen aim god fr