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Sentinels in Berlin?

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Pristyna

To clear some of the confusion for the people that asked if Sentinels are allowed to play in Masters 3 because they are already qualified for Champions. It doesn't matter. It's still circuit points, points that they can steal from another team/from another region, which may change the circuit points standings for champions, and of course, prize money. They are qualified because of the way circuit points possible scenarios are, it doesn't matter if any other NA team gets the points in Berlin, they are guaranteed to qualify.
They already qualified based on circuit points because in no scenario, any other NA team that would get the remaining circuit points would be able to drop them down from the 1st or 2nd slot in NA circuit points ranking, and the only team that has a scenario that drops them to 2nd place is V1.
Let's say V1 gets the 375 from 2nd place Berlin, that will put them at 575 points, which will be above SEN, but even so, SEN would still be 2nd in NA points and qualify because no other NA team that would get the remaining points would be able to pass SEN that has 500. 2nd place in Berlin gets 375 points, and even in the scenario of Envy getting them (currently 3rd in circuit points NA), that would be 460 which is still less than Sen.
Example in which Sen wouldn't have qualified for champions right after winning Iceland: if Envy won Masters 1 and had the 100 points to put them at 185, Sentinels (I am not counting the points they may have gotten from other places in Masters 1 because it's just an example, let's say they lost, and they would only have 400 points) wouldn't have had the spot guaranteed because both V1 and Envy had a chance to get the first 2 spots in the circuit rankings (in fact any other team that would be able to finish with more than 400 points pretty much), but as it stands, Sentinels are guaranteed 1st rank in circuit points in NA under any scenario from any NA team that would make it to Berlin except for V1. In other words, the only team that can "hurt" Sentinels is V1, but even if they could, they can only drop them to 2nd place in NA circuit points ranking, which still qualifies them (just an example, applies to more teams in the scenario in which V1 would secure 1st rank in circuit points)
So Sentinels are qualified because all the possible scenarios regarding the qualifying methods secures their spot no matter what, at least via the circuit points rank. There's also the possibility of winning Berlin which, I think, just favors the region by getting another team in champions via the circuit points ranking.

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PotatoCh1ps
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The winners of berlin will directly qualify for Champions. So, sen playing in berlin and winning will defeat the main purpose. Thats why I think SEN wont be there in Berlin but who knows?

#3
Amaster
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If that happens, maybe it will be the 2-3rd qualifying through NA Circuit Points.

#4
Pristyna
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And the winner could be them in which case you'll see them in the Masters 3 winners slot on the championship page and the other 2 teams that got highest circuit points in the NA spots... Doesn't defeat any purpose... If they win Berlin, they will literally have 4 NA teams in Champions and they will qualify for it as Masters 3 winners. Then there's 2x NA circuit points teams and NA last chance. If they don't win (and no other NA team wins Berlin), it will be 3 teams and they will be qualified as NA circuit points first seed... that's why they are going to be in Berlin, because it's the same stakes for every single region.

#5
PrTsty2
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why do people think they might not be able toplay? thats the dumbest shitt ive ever heard

#7
ShiningTyGuy
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It's literally a 1head take

#8
PrTsty2
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I hope he is trolling

#15
Blinded
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fr, just young fans with no braincells

#21
SharubuNguvu
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ikr, "hey sen you cant play because you are too good so you are banned from this major :)"

#6
ShiningTyGuy
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Sentinels qualified through circuit points already. They will play in Berlin and if they win it opens up another spot for NA in champions. If they win in Berlin, the next 2 NA teams with the most circuit points would qualify through circuit points (so #2 and #3)

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GetsystheGr8
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They won't qual... they barely made it out last time... they won't make it out this time and T1 will win the whole thing

#10
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8
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I wonder what happens if a team gets the spot through Berlin, but completely reforms like G2 or Heretics. Will they lose their spot to the second place, or will the org just keep the spot?

#11
GetsystheGr8
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Why would any team do this... are u fucking stupid?

#14
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8
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im not saying it makes sense to do a shuffle, i'm just asking what the official policy for that is with masters 3 specifically.. like how is the spot relegated in that case? does it disappear or does the second best performer in the tourney get it? or is it something else weird, like the region gets their slots expanded by one etc..

#16
Danny
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In case a situation like Sinatraa’s or Keiti’s happens

#26
GetsystheGr8
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That's 1 person he was talking about an entire roster u dumbass

#25
nairolf1337
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tf is wrong with u lmao. insulting someone who asked a perfectly normal question.

#27
GetsystheGr8
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How is that a normal question... EU braindead kids

#28
DELUSIONAL_NUKKYE_FAN
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Getys calling someone braindead is very ironic

#12
clownhunter
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if they completely reform, then they should obviously lose the spot, wtf? this isnt like just losing circuit points, this is an invite to valorant's most prestigious fucking event, that thousands of teams have practised for.

anything other than the org losing the spot would be absolutely braindead, and a spit on the face of all the other teams

#13
ChowChow
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Yes they will go for berlin at full power, because :

  1. Prize money - No need explanation
  2. Popularity - Org need publication to get money and Player can get increase in stream follower
  3. To get bonus slot for NA in VCT Champions - If they win, they don't take the Circuit Points slot but VCT Berlin spot
  4. To get their 3rd tittle and complete the set - Winner of VCT Master 1 2 3 & Championship sounds cool right?
  5. To have fun and get vacation to Berlin.
#17
DELUSIONAL_NUKKYE_FAN
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Anyone else click on post and get flashbanged by the text

#18
ShiningTyGuy
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ahahahhah 100%

#19
Pristyna
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where's your "ez for nukkye" line?

#24
DELUSIONAL_NUKKYE_FAN
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Flash was too strong at the time, EZ FOR NUKKYE

#20
Danny
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yeah I looked at this and immediately gave up on reading it lol

#22
PG_newt
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man wrote a whole essay

#23
Pristyna
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What's wrong with that. The target people will ask the questions so many times it can fill an entire essay.

#29
PG_newt
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im not saying its bad...
thats actually really cool that u r dedicated into something like this
i would never have the patience to write something that long which would be optional

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