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ScreaM > Tenz

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#1
Traderslife

After Closely monitoring these two great players I believe that ScreaM is the better player. Looking back at their previous matches We can clearly see that ScreaM is constantly carrying his average teammates. On the other hand, if we look at C9 Tenz we see that his impact wasn't as great as ScreaM's. So if we see ScreaM on a better team he'd most likely win everything.

ScreaM > Tenz all the way for me.

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YEPej
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tenz was the mvp of iceland ?

#5
Traderslife
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Due to his good Team.

#6
YEPej
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he performed the best on the best team ??? even sick said tenz was the best player at iceland

#10
Traderslife
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"Due to his role and team"

impact wise I'd definitely give it to Shazam or sick

#48
NIDOKING
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How do you get more impactful than 19 first kills and 2 first deaths? Even if his team is setting him up, he's still the one hitting his shots. Super impactful. Don't undermine him just because Sen as a whole are all super talented.

#58
kapteN
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shahzam and sick especially have always been the impact players on sentinels. We saw a godlike performance out of shahzam in iceland, but usually it's sick who makes all the best plays happen.

I'm not a massive football fan at all but cause of the European championship I can't help but make a comparison to Kevin De Bruyne. He won't be scoring all your goals, but he'll create so much space and get the right assists and passes to make his team win.

#27
MrBreasticle
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yea shazam had crazy impact compared to tenz imo

#32
Netero
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you changed your flag when you are clearly a european liquid fanboy, look at your post history.

#35
Traderslife
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I'm actually American but ok.

#41
Netero
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but nothing you say is backed by facts, its all EU bias

#3
SMILO
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Scream is better .. he hard carry
and clean AIM

#64
Pogo
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TenZ aim > CreaM aim

#99
Mahj0ngMaster
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my grandmas aim > ur aim

#4
feaN
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scream no 1
sick no 2 maybe or derke
then comes tenz

#9
Traderslife
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Close.

#15
Flamephoenix
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Derke is not #2 lol. I doubt hes top 5 with his absolute inconsistency

#19
ShiningTyGuy
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How can you say derke is possibly #2 when he completely choked in the finals. Someone who is #2 wouldn't choke its that simple

#59
kapteN
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Funny that you say "its that simple" while s1mple is widely considered the best player in cs and he's always choked in finals.

#66
ShiningTyGuy
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Than imo he shouldnt be considered the best. Being called the best means nothing if you have nothing but stats to back it up. IDK maybe I'm thinking more about the greatest vs the best

#69
kapteN
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Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. I never considered s1mple the best player. No titles = not best player in my opinion.

Just sharing that most people will just look at flashy plays and stats. Especially in Valorant where enabling your stars is a lot easier than in CS.

#30
Netero
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putting derke above TenZ? you have literal brainworms

#80
Garry
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no need to compare tho
everybody is bet at their place

#7
Aris
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did Liquid win? KEKW

#8
Traderslife
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did you even read?

#100
Mahj0ngMaster
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did TSM qualify?

#11
Kannna
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0/8 thread nt.

#12
Shubh678
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Yup i totally agree that scream > tenz. Scream came second according to the stats. And all the stats of tenz and scream was so close even though scream played less. But yes tenz is not so far. The difference is so close that both of them has an impact on every match. But Scream just edges out. But saying Scream is the best in the world does not mean he can win every match. His team needs to be good or just need to support him when he dies early in the round. Sentinels overall has the best individually skilled players on a team right now. So adding tenz there just means adding Scream. Btw ScreaM is called "HEADSHOT MACHINE" for a reason. You can look at the stats of headshot percentage and ScreaM has the highest with 35% thats insane man. And no one is even close to 30%.

#13
blubeer
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Ok, brother, we get it. You like scream. No need to write an essay

#14
Shubh678
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Lmao sorry for the essay bro 😂

#54
Shail
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says the man with Velocity Gaming badge kekw

#56
blubeer
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says a kid without a country banner. Are you a refugee or something

#57
Shail
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LOL i am Indian. Had to hide my badge because of ok guys like you

#70
blubeer
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Because of guys like you, I feel ashamed. You guys just go and lick outside teams ass simping here and there and making fun of IGC. Just leave this country refugee and go get a life.

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Mrityunjay
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This guy thinks hiding his country and putting SEN in the badge would make him look cool , sadge coz at the end of the say u r just another fuck lying around VLR

#37
danny_drip
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If tenz is above scream in ACS (by 24.5) and KDA during iceland, how does Scream edge him out. Just wondering.

#51
buldO
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Tenz is also super good but being surrounded by better players makes you less likely to die from angles or positions your teammates expect to cover you from.

The problem surrounding ScreaM is that his teammates are not even close to being as consistent as Sentinels were throughout the entire tournament, which is essentially the reason why Sentinels stood out against all other teams, consistency. We saw ScreaM perform consistently throughout all of his games but Valorant's a game of 5, not 1. Even if you were the very best in the world but surrounded by trash you wouldn't be able to win.

Shitty example but just take a look at Cristiano and Messi in football, arguably the best footballers, whenever they're surrounded by mediocre/bad/inconsistent players they're not able to deliver even if they're playing fine.

#76
scubascuba11
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Bro? Literally world cup 2014 Messi carried Argentina to the finals,

#98
buldO
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And yet what happened in the end?

#102
scubascuba11
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The point is Messi was able to deliver even when surrounded by bad players. If you watched the game you would know that Argentina whiffed many free open shots.

#104
buldO
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In the end they still lost precisely because of the whiff you're talking about. That's exactly my point. One alone couldn't do what you're supposed to be doing with a full squad because arguably his teammates held it back.
It was just a shitty example as I pointed out tho, no need to find a thorough analysis on it.

#60
kapteN
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Imagine thinking that stats like that prove much.

Just think of coldzera in 2016 and s1mple in 2020. Entire team focused on getting them kills, half their kills 0 impact, eco frags or exit kills. Stats obviously go sky high but doesn't necessarily mean much.

#49
damnj0ker
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live in Kolkata bro?

#16
KingPopcorn
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gtn better than both players so

#17
PotatoCh1ps
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Tenz was nervous, it seemed to me like that and If you count out few instances where tenz and scream both whiffed/choked. Tenz will be the better of two just because of the team play he has. I even think tenz has better reflexes and is better at flicking. Overall I would say tenz is slightly better than scream. These are just opinions no hate to scream he is great and we know him for his juan taps.

#18
bigpeensheen
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Both have insane aim
ScreaM has a deeper player pool
TenZ has better game sense
ScreaM is a better team player
ScreaM is good at assisting the team
TenZ has good lurking skills
TenZ has better entry fragging capaility
ScreaM = TenZ

#20
fakeflaggot
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wtf are u saying?
tenz has better game sense but somehow at the same time he is a worse team player and worse at assisting the team?

scream has much better game sense.

#23
instathot
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i think what hes trying to say is that tenz has a better internal clock and a better understanding of where enemies are on the map, he has a better understanding of timings and can more easily read his opponents plays and movements. however scream has more experience playing tac shooters so i think its hard to say that tenz has a better game sense but i think everything else he brought up is fair. i think tenz is the best entry frag in NA, if not the world, and because he plays duelists and makes flashy plays people dont see the "team play" side of his game, but in truth his entries and lurking help to open up the map for his teammates and give reliable info to make calls. similarly i think tenz has the skill to play any agent that is required but due to his aim and multi kill potential putting him on an agent that rewards aggression and frags, like reyna, is the obvious choice. overall i think tenz and scream are the 2 best players in the world for me and right now its impossible to say which is better. we've only seen one international lan for valorant so its too early in the game to say one is better than the other

#24
fakeflaggot
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agree, well said

#26
bigpeensheen
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I just think TenZ has an overall better sense of the game than the majority of pros, which is why I said what I said. Do I take any of it back? No.

#67
iNstiN
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Bro all cred to you for being fking honest, most NA ppl are biased af when it comes to Tenz

#77
scubascuba11
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ScreaM was caught multiple times with utility in hand in critical rounds.

#87
whocars
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"tenz has better game sense" NOIDONTTHINKSO

#21
PotatoCh1ps
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Well tenz did have better ACS and KD ratio.

#22
ZoZ_QoX
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And yet he managed to get these insane stats considering he was primarily on sage and not his main agents

#25
Blinded
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I agree, If TenZ was on any other team he wouldn't play as well as he does now.

#28
ideekae
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I’d look at it from the other POV. If any player were on shaz’s team, they’d be playing way better. The dude’s practically a player-coach

#44
zhajiangmiang
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karrigan igl vibes just as a person and insane strategist because some troll gonna say "o csgo fanboy gtfo"

#61
kapteN
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I would make more of a gla1ve or FalleN comparison. gla1ve for the tactical mind but still good plays and FalleN for being one of the best players on his team, popping off with the awp while IGLing in LG/SK days.

#29
5pw423yjmv2
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yes everyone with a working brain knows this

#36
Traderslife
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Some are delusional

#31
Netero
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Scream went AFK after split against V1 and then he stat padded against against the tier 2 KRU and Vikings. against the actual good teams Tenz was way better.

#33
Netero
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for example, Scream had a 236 ACS against V1, and a 245 ACS against fnatic. TenZ had a 297 ACS and a 289 against fnatic while dumpstering Derke in opening duels.

#68
iNstiN
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Fking false dude, check ur facts

#93
Netero
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everything i said was factually correct. the evidence is literally on this website sillly

#34
Sunot
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TenZ is known to have motivation problems. He did once in CSGO and when the batton was passed unto him in C9 Valorant he failed to do so. I feel like he is more of a journeyman player and give this shroud feel that does one thing amazing then disappears. He feels like what n0thing was in 1.6. ScreaM will be the consistent one in the future.

#38
Swiftmal12
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Na scream will be tossed around the EU scene and never win anything like in CS

#62
kapteN
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Man if you think about it ScreaM did have THE MOST unlucky career in CS history

#75
Mrityunjay
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But he was considered as one of the flashiest player , no player hit those taps better than him and i guess taps are much better in Valo than CS

#90
kapteN
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There are people who could hit taps just as well as ScreaM. NiKo is a good example.

I just meant people kept sayin scream didn't belong in the pro scene; but he actaully had few good chances in CS. He had a crazy unlucky career

#39
Vecro
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100% ScreaM > TenZ

#40
Danny
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Scream is good but not best (tenz best)

#63
kapteN
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ScreaM good but not best (scream bestest)

#42
PNGomes
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and na woke up

#46
Danny
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They’ve been awake bro, look who made this thread

#43
xElias
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this is like the messi or ronaldo discussion

#45
Danny
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Exactly, obvious winner but EU fanboys can’t get over themselves

#47
atmajitxD
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why compare legends in the game bruh

#50
iNSANE
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In the end, why does it matter though lol. The only thing that matters is which team wins tournaments and is the best in the world, not whos the best individual skilled player. A great example is s1mple in NAVI. BEst player and what? Neve wins almost anything.

#52
Revan
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Lol TenZ is never gonna get the recognition he deserves.
When he was in C9 carrying, people always said he is not the best because he wasn't winning tournaments or Wardell was better than him.
When he joined Sentinels, it was SicK who was better than him even though TenZ was playing on bad ping and now that SicK didn't perform at Masters on Lan, it's Shahzam who is better.
TenZ is now winning tournaments like they wanted but its because of his team because apparently he doesn't exist in the team, only the other 4 do. He wins MVP of the tournament by getting the highest INDIVIDUAL stats in almost every category but no, everyone below him is better because Scream doesn't have as good a team even though Scream didn't perform as good against Fnatic or V1 like TenZ did against Fnatic and Nuturn but stfu.
TenZ will always be put down by people when he is ahead just as much as he is over praised by people as a god who can't make mistakes

#55
Shail
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Honestly I read every comment and yours make sense. Most of them are scream fan boys kekw. Sometimes u just have to let go and believe that there is somene in NA who can kick EU's ass

#101
Mahj0ngMaster
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yeah sorry i didnt read your ted talk

#53
Shanty
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An easy argument against this idea that Scream did better than TenZ at Iceland is if SEN did have such a better team over TL, then TenZ shouldn't be able to get as many kills and impact the round as much. There's only a certain amount of kills you can get per round. Yet TenZ placed first in the majority of stats.

Scream did great, but to look at the results. It's really hard to say he did better. And it's not like Scream doesn't have a cast around him that is good in it own right, they were EU's number 1 seed. Jampii did solid with the 12th highest ACS of the Master. L1NK got the 15th highest.

Saying Scream did better than TenZ is reaching I'd honestly say he would be 4th in the MVP race. Behind TenZ, Derke, and Shahzam.

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iNstiN
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Scream is better for sure, Tenz still nuts

#71
feaN
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scream better than tenz cause aim, experience and lan experience, but his team sucks if scream would be on sentinels they wouldnt even lose a round not a map

#74
Traderslife
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That's what I'm trying to say.

#73
Mrityunjay
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This guy thinks hiding his country and putting SEN in the badge would make him look cool , sadge coz at the end of the say u r just another fuck lying around VLR

#78
scubascuba11
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I'm sorry, I have to say it but TenZ > ScreaM. How can you say that ScreaM is better, just look at stats, impact and aim. I would say ScreaM is on par with players like Penny or ShoT_UP.

#79
ZoZ_QoX
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Aghhhh why cant delusional NA ppl appreciate other players other than tenz. Lmao how can you keep him par with players like those when he came 2nd in the world playing sage. Tenz created space, gave his team the follow up and picked kills, meanwhile scream wasn't in the position to do any of those for the role which he played.

#81
scubascuba11
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? Penny had more kills than ScreaM and did you not see his insane clutch plays to create space in multiple situations where they were down players? V1 literally beat TL with a sub even after completely throwing split.

#82
Mrityunjay
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U dont get it do you

#83
bagagarbage
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The funny thing is, Team liquid still got 13-0'd by sentinels in scrims. And sentinels dont even sweat in scrims LMAO

#84
Mrityunjay
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lol fyi TL didnt play Sen in scrims
and SEN got owned by Guild in Scrims

#86
Xaster15
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Link?

#91
bagagarbage
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liquid actually got 13-0'd by sentinels on scrims, according to dapr and shahzam on the interview. maybe learn before u speak. the only team they had trouble was gambit, but won against them too

#95
hkim
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They did get 13-0 once and they said it in the plat chat episode with dapr and shahzam. Idk about the guild stuff tho.

#103
Traderslife
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they went 1-1

#85
Dr4goNN
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lol

#88
Hasch
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hmmm, i dont think so.
A player is more than solo status, i still prefer tenz

#89
Shubh678
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Lol. Everyday this thread is just growing larger and larger. I don't think so this discussion will stop. I think for now just stop this by accepting that tenz>scream and we will see what happens when they really face off.

#92
PotatoCh1ps
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Well, tenz had better ACS and KDA

#94
gnnr
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not a great take. tenz had enormous impact despite being on a better team that scream. he was 19-2 in opening duels, which is pretty much unheard of. scream is one of the best in the world i just dont think he had the same impact in his games. but who knows

#96
LouBag
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Scream is the best 2nd man through the door in the world.

Tenz is the best entry fragger in the world.

#97
PotatoCh1ps
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Tenz's Down side to side>>>>>>Scream's juan taps

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