navi vs heroics had less than 457k peak viewers wtf
semi final of a big tournament with barely anyone watching
data from esports charts link
how many viewers are you guys predicting for lock in? avg and peak
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wizardbot [#2]Was Faze vs Navi BO5 banger final in IEM Kato too? Because I remember that shit got 1.2M viewers, weird downfall because navi usually pulls a lot
yeah its crazy. last year Quarter finals had more viewers g2 vs vp
Idk it’s weird. CSGO just reached an all-time concurrent player peak but Kato is getting lower viewers. I think it will probably hit like 700-800k for the finals but idk why no one’s watching while so many people are playing.
Lock//in is gonna get a lot of viewers because of the artificial boost that comes with a long break from valorant tournaments, maybe 1.2 mil
Olofboost [#4]Because CS tournaments occur so often that fans get tired of watching everything.
In Valorant there's 6 months break without anything, obviously extremely rare Valorant tournaments will collect more viewers than Katowice.
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Olofboost [#4]Because CS tournaments occur so often that fans get tired of watching everything.
In Valorant there's 6 months break without anything, obviously extremely rare Valorant tournaments will collect more viewers than Katowice.
nah thats copium. last year katowice had significantly more viewers compared to this year and it happened at the same time
FIyingDoggoWoweeClap10 [#6]why bro acting like its a major LMAO
when did I say its a major ?? I was confused as to why the viewership is down from last year. also lock//In isn't a major either
gamr [#5]Idk it’s weird. CSGO just reached an all-time concurrent player peak but Kato is getting lower viewers. I think it will probably hit like 700-800k for the finals but idk why no one’s watching while so many people are playing.
Lock//in is gonna get a lot of viewers because of the artificial boost that comes with a long break from valorant tournaments, maybe 1.2 mil
bot accounts. the game has gone to shit
Skyss [#11]More tournaments = boring and its happened in CSGO, LoL regional league and franchise except LEC and VCL
why Worlds series always got new record every year? cause we only watch huge tournaments and big teams played
cs peak viewership last year was 2.1 mil which is 600k lower than 2021 where they hit 2.7 mil. this year kato wice has even lesser viewers than last year what's your reasoning for this?
FIyingDoggoWoweeClap10 [#6]why bro acting like its a major LMAO
Lockin is not a Major, Masters are not Majors. So?
SigmaMale [#16]CS is a better e sport to watch honestly. From the casting to the observing it is so much better.
why aren't people watching then?
meteorite [#13]cs peak viewership last year was 2.1 mil which is 600k lower than 2021 where they hit 2.7 mil. this year kato wice has even lesser viewers than last year what's your reasoning for this?
dude bring CSGO Major to CSFrogs and then the viewership will huge again
meteorite [#13]cs peak viewership last year was 2.1 mil which is 600k lower than 2021 where they hit 2.7 mil. this year kato wice has even lesser viewers than last year what's your reasoning for this?
dude bring CSGO Major to CSFrogs and then the viewership will huge again
meteorite [#8]nah thats copium. last year katowice had significantly more viewers compared to this year and it happened at the same time
Either way Valorant has no future with the current system, cry about it
meteorite [#17]why aren't people watching then?
They are. But there are too many events. If Valorant had as many events as CS (it doesn't, not even close), Valo views would be times worse.
meteorite [#19]but navi sure does
bro is comparing faze vs navi dude, navi has lost a lot of hype since their recents matches and faze has like 10x more viewers than heroic lmao
Mortadelo [#14]Lockin is not a Major, Masters are not Majors. So?
there are literally 3 international vct valorant events each year
there are 2 csgo majors each year.
I think you can safely compare lock-in and a major
wizardbot [#2]Was Faze vs Navi BO5 banger final in IEM Kato too? Because I remember that shit got 1.2M viewers, weird downfall because navi usually pulls a lot
is it something do with russian viewership on twitch or? Yeah I thought navi would get more.
gamr [#5]Idk it’s weird. CSGO just reached an all-time concurrent player peak but Kato is getting lower viewers. I think it will probably hit like 700-800k for the finals but idk why no one’s watching while so many people are playing.
Lock//in is gonna get a lot of viewers because of the artificial boost that comes with a long break from valorant tournaments, maybe 1.2 mil
it feels weird not sure what happened tbh.
capital_d_colon [#27]there are literally 3 international vct valorant events each year
there are 2 csgo majors each year.I think you can safely compare lock-in and a major
A Champions is a Major, winning a masters or lock in doesn't make you world champion. Winning a Major or a Champion does
inkie [#25]bro is comparing faze vs navi dude, navi has lost a lot of hype since their recents matches and faze has like 10x more viewers than heroic lmao
not like faze matches did any better lmao
inkie [#25]bro is comparing faze vs navi dude, navi has lost a lot of hype since their recents matches and faze has like 10x more viewers than heroic lmao
if your esports resort to 3-4 teams getting viewerships that's very bad signs . If brazilian team lose early rip viewership , if faze navi or g2 out rip viewership.
Olofboost [#24]They are. But there are too many events. If Valorant had as many events as CS (it doesn't, not even close), Valo views would be times worse.
more like people are getting bored of watching that shit
Olofboost [#36]Cope with 3 international events per year and all with shitty formats
LoL doing just fine lol. I think I’ll trust Riot over Olofboost.
Mortadelo [#30]A Champions is a Major, winning a masters or lock in doesn't make you world champion. Winning a Major or a Champion does
The sweet words of logic… Undefeated lol.
Olofboost [#24]They are. But there are too many events. If Valorant had as many events as CS (it doesn't, not even close), Valo views would be times worse.
It’s almost like Riot knows this and keeps investors happy with LAN League, & minimal major tournaments.
xaboff [#35]I believe it's because unlike Valorant, CS isn't oficially streamed in China
copium overdose
Ullyr [#33]if your esports resort to 3-4 teams getting viewerships that's very bad signs . If brazilian team lose early rip viewership , if faze navi or g2 out rip viewership.
valorant gets more viewership because they are giving visibility to other regions than europe america and brazil, i mean obviously why would asians, brazilians, americans watch cs when they are only getting rolled out by eu and cis that's why they went to valorant and even with that cs is fighting in viewership
meteorite [#32]not like faze matches did any better lmao
bro it wasnt stage match it has a lot of less viewership
Mortadelo [#30]A Champions is a Major, winning a masters or lock in doesn't make you world champion. Winning a Major or a Champion does
i mean thats valid if you are viewing it as the prestige.
but in terms of frequency they are similar.
and in terms of both events having in game items for celebration/fundraising
Mortadelo [#30]A Champions is a Major, winning a masters or lock in doesn't make you world champion. Winning a Major or a Champion does
bro a masters could literally be a major it was only 3 big events last year for valorant lmao that's why it's called "major" i dont feel like there's a real difference between masters and champions
Olofboost [#23]Either way Valorant has no future with the current system, cry about it
Least delusional cs frog
capital_d_colon [#44]i mean thats valid if you are viewing it as the prestige.
but in terms of frequency they are similar.
and in terms of both events having in game items for celebration/fundraising
I mean yeah, I'm talking about prestige and numbers. If we're talking about other stuff is different, I don't really think winning a Champions is harder than winning a Masters, it's the best teams at the moment giving their 100% after all, but it's just not the same, and there will never be as many people watching a IEM or a Masters as there is a Champions or a Major.
Saying Lock In is a Major is like saying MSI in LOL is a Major for example
inkie [#42]valorant gets more viewership because they are giving visibility to other regions than europe america and brazil, i mean obviously why would asians, brazilians, americans watch cs when they are only getting rolled out by eu and cis that's why they went to valorant and even with that cs is fighting in viewership
Its dead cause valve does shit to grow the game in other regions. No one wants to invest in CS when literally there's no incentives. At one point there was interests for asian region. With no org growth the scene dies and you won't see players competiting lol. Its gonna get worse for CS now unless valve actually does something other than selling skins.
inkie [#45]bro a masters could literally be a major it was only 3 big events last year for valorant lmao that's why it's called "major" i dont feel like there's a real difference between masters and champions
Then according to that logic is a LOL MSI the equivalent of a Major too?
Mortadelo [#47]I mean yeah, I'm talking about prestige and numbers. If we're talking about other stuff is different, I don't really think winning a Champions is harder than winning a Masters, it's the best teams at the moment giving their 100% after all, but it's just not the same, and there will never be as many people watching a IEM or a Masters as there is a Champions or a Major.
Saying Lock In is a Major is like saying MSI in LOL is a Major for example
I dont think lock-in and MSI are comparable.
Lock-in is such a unique event.
Its really a launch party of the new age of valorant esports.
New rosters, teams with huge fanbases which dont normally reach these huge events.
Msi on the otherhand is a very disliked repetitive mini event featuring a small slice of teams.
I think an MSI is more equitable to a masters event.
lock-in ≠ a masters event imo
I think its fair to compare a major and a Lock-in though I expect lock-in to blow rio out of the water in terms of numbers.
capital_d_colon [#51]I dont think lock-in and MSI are comparable.
Lock-in is such a unique event.
Its really a launch party of the new age of valorant esports.
New rosters, teams with huge fanbases which dont normally reach these huge events.Msi on the otherhand is a very disliked repetitive mini event featuring a small slice of teams.
I think an MSI is more equitable to a masters event.lock-in ≠ a masters event imo
I think its fair to compare a major and a Lock-in though I expect lock-in to blow rio out of the water in terms of numbers.
I mean Lock in is definitely something special and I wouldn't really compare it to anything since is not happening ever again. But yes MSI is like a Masters and that's why I mean they're not majors
Mortadelo [#50]Then according to that logic is a LOL MSI the equivalent of a Major too?
no, because you can really tell the difference in production, stage, teams preparation, etc. Asian teams dont take that tournament that serious compared to worlds.
Phamous [#40]It’s almost like Riot knows this and keeps investors happy with LAN League, & minimal major tournaments.
How does having minimal major tournaments keeps investors happy?
And by the way Riot are literally paying stipends to participating teams, it's not like they even make net profit.
Ullyr [#49]Its dead cause valve does shit to grow the game in other regions. No one wants to invest in CS when literally there's no incentives. At one point there was interests for asian region. With no org growth the scene dies and you won't see players competiting lol. Its gonna get worse for CS now unless valve actually does something other than selling skins.
no one wants to invest in CS in minor regions because it's too late for that, you cant just irrupt in a game dominated by a region in the last decade and pretend to start winning trophies. Like in LOL you cant just come with a lot of money to europe or na and pretend to win worlds when you are going to get rekt by asians
Olofboost [#54]How does having minimal major tournaments keeps investors happy?
And by the way Riot are literally paying stipends to participating teams, it's not like they even make net profit.
NFL, NBA, MLB… I mean… Riot is obviously modeling there franchise leagues on a working system. Granted esports itself is a niche market they still have billion dollar investors.
Ad revenue, cosmetic sales etc. I shouldn’t have to explain this tbh
Mortadelo [#52]I mean Lock in is definitely something special and I wouldn't really compare it to anything since is not happening ever again. But yes MSI is like a Masters and that's why I mean they're not majors
Thinking about it more its kinda impossible to cross-compare csgo events and valorant events due to how different each circuit is.
csgo having the "peak event" twice a year makes any comparison kinda pointless
capital_d_colon [#57]Thinking about it more its kinda impossible to cross-compare csgo events and valorant events due to how different each circuit is.
csgo having the "peak event" twice a year makes any comparison kinda pointless
fair enough
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