Before you guys start with the rapist accusations (YES I HAVE READ ABOUT THEM)
We aren't here for that, I would like to see what you guys think about his skill (before his retirement) and if he could still compete in T1 with how we've seen him play for now.
PLEASE DON'T TAKE IN ACCOUNT THE ACCUSATIONS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HIS TALENT IN GAME
Siege_ [#3]🤓
real question why you said under my thread 'YOU GUYS FCK UP' the fuck is that sentence explain yourself.
valvenq [#5]He is solid, like he has a unique style that differs from most. He used to be T1 so he definitely knows how to compete at that level, but it's hard to say given the circumstances. He will do well with time though, if he ever plays on a higher level.
I think that if he gets in a T1 team (probs won't happen due to the circumstances), he will excel and go back to his peak form or even better, when he was in SEN he was probs best sova in NA and EU but now. idk
B0omsl4ng [#7]hes too rich to care about all this
him and zombs are buying a 'cheap' house in texas for 1.5mil
yeah true, but apart from his richness what do you think about his talent ?
I believe he really does wanna compete and he does have experience but would've been better to have shanks and subroza instead of prod and dizzy imo the team would've been a lil more serious and competitive i feel (ik that subroza is taking a break but still)
if he had a better team they wouldn't have lost yesterday let's hope lower bracket run goes well
Neonfreak [#9]He could be a T1 player, he has already proven he has the skill for it. But he will never be a pro player again, simply because I don't believe a team will pick him up and I don't even think he wants that.A lot of people don't go back after they go to content creation.
Yeah, I hope if he gets into ascension (that's what his competing for right ?) that he will maybe truly true to go back into the scene. I probably think Sinatraa had made enough from OW (MVP and winner of several competitions in OW with SF Shock), so I still respect him for competing in VALORANT even though he was already rich
Void_Meph [#11]I believe he really does wanna compete and he does have experience but would've been better to have shanks and subroza instead of prod and dizzy imo the team would've been a lil more serious and competitive i feel (ik that subroza is taking a break but still)
if he had a better team they wouldn't have lost yesterday let's hope lower bracket run goes well
Has Shanks talked about trying to rejoin a team ? cause I never saw anything crazy good from him, his personality makes him a better content creator than anything imo.
Seems like when/if he wants to actually compete he takes it very serious and definitely can have the competitive drive. He plays the game very similar to how he plays in ranked. This team doesn't have any strats obviously so I would expect him to play differently if it was an actual team. Not to name any names but even some teams in franchising don't have that great of initiators imo so he could maybe get picked up if he wants to play
Void_Meph [#11]I believe he really does wanna compete and he does have experience but would've been better to have shanks and subroza instead of prod and dizzy imo the team would've been a lil more serious and competitive i feel (ik that subroza is taking a break but still)
if he had a better team they wouldn't have lost yesterday let's hope lower bracket run goes well
I think shanks and subroza might have wanted to play but TSM and FaZe are both in ascension so they can't
SeizVlr [#13]Has Shanks talked about trying to rejoin a team ? cause I never saw anything crazy good from him, his personality makes him a better content creator than anything imo.
Not really but i felt he had more competitive experience then prod and dizzy maybe
but anyways i think sinatraa's playstyle is unique and if they qualify and he does smtn crazy maybe next year we can see him in a t1 team
77_sTuna [#14]Seems like when/if he wants to actually compete he takes it very serious and definitely can have the competitive drive. He plays the game very similar to how he plays in ranked. This team doesn't have any strats obviously so I would expect him to play differently if it was an actual team. Not to name any names but even some teams in franchising don't have that great of initiators imo so he could maybe get picked up if he wants to play
Yeah he can be a great flex player
Reimsy [#17]He clearly has the mechanical skill to go pro again but idk about the mentality, he gives off a vibe like he doesn't give a fuck about anything
He just acts like that he doesn't give a fuck. Coming to his potential,he is still the best flex player in NA.
Void_Meph [#11]I believe he really does wanna compete and he does have experience but would've been better to have shanks and subroza instead of prod and dizzy imo the team would've been a lil more serious and competitive i feel (ik that subroza is taking a break but still)
if he had a better team they wouldn't have lost yesterday let's hope lower bracket run goes well
both shanks and subroza said on stream that they wanted to be in open qualifiers but they are on orgs and were refused because of conflicts of interest
As someone who knows OWL, fans know he was a prodigy but INCREDIBLY toxic. But once getting picked up by the Shock, he went from toxic prodigy to someone genuinely mature and respectful.
But once leaving the Shock and joining Sentinels, he somewhat went back to the toxic prodigy form, and after the allegations and going into CC, his mentality changed a lot.
It's undeniable that he has raw talent, but it's a matter of having someone to keep his mentality in check to ensure that he can become the best player he can be.
Also: I want to mention that regardless of the verdict, people still attack Cle0h. What she does with her life should not affect you.
redlight [#22]As someone who knows OWL, fans know he was a prodigy but INCREDIBLY toxic. But once getting picked up by the Shock, he went from toxic prodigy to someone genuinely mature and respectful.
But once leaving the Shock and joining Sentinels, he somewhat went back to the toxic prodigy form, and after the allegations and going into CC, his mentality changed a lot.
It's undeniable that he has raw talent, but it's a matter of having someone to keep his mentality in check to ensure that he can become the best player he can be.
Also: I want to mention that regardless of the verdict, people still attack Cle0h. What she does with her life should not affect you.
16 year sinatraa was WILD LMAOOOOOO if he said this shit in 2022 every fan would fking hate him AHAHAHAHHAH still love the man he went from toxic dumbass to actual GOAT of OW
WARDELL_LAN_DODGER [#24]did bad things but still better person/player than wardell will ever be
I don't know what wardell has done could you inform me? what happened???
SeizVlr [#26]I don't know what wardell has done could you inform me? what happened???
Wardell has done nothing, exactly. He’s mid af
If Sinatraa sees this..... I hope you know that you have a crazy amount of fans behind your back! And yes, we're all aware of the allegations and whatnot but nothing is proven so people shouldn't be saying anything or have the right to say anything. Sin, whether you go pro again or you're just a content creator, your fans are always going to be behind your back. Haters will always be hating no matter what you do bro! So just do what you love and go hard on it! We see you grinding and we know that deep down inside, you still have that competitive edge and you really do want to go pro again and grind this game out till you're at the top!. And honestly, you definitely can do this!
Verdentta [#28]If Sinatraa sees this..... I hope you know that you have a crazy amount of fans behind your back! And yes, we're all aware of the allegations and whatnot but nothing is proven so people shouldn't be saying anything or have the right to say anything. Sin, whether you go pro again or you're just a content creator, your fans are always going to be behind your back. Haters will always be hating no matter what you do bro! So just do what you love and go hard on it! We see you grinding and we know that deep down inside, you still have that competitive edge and you really do want to go pro again and grind this game out till you're at the top!. And honestly, you definitely can do this!
we should hate on average jonas this thread so he posts it again on twitter maybe sin will see it from there
Verdentta [#28]If Sinatraa sees this..... I hope you know that you have a crazy amount of fans behind your back! And yes, we're all aware of the allegations and whatnot but nothing is proven so people shouldn't be saying anything or have the right to say anything. Sin, whether you go pro again or you're just a content creator, your fans are always going to be behind your back. Haters will always be hating no matter what you do bro! So just do what you love and go hard on it! We see you grinding and we know that deep down inside, you still have that competitive edge and you really do want to go pro again and grind this game out till you're at the top!. And honestly, you definitely can do this!
Even if Jesus Christ himself descended upon the earth at this moment I wouldn't be caught dead cockriding anyone this hard in my LIFE
nutab1e [#32]Even if Jesus Christ himself descended upon the earth at this moment I wouldn't be caught dead cockriding anyone this hard in my LIFE
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Verdentta [#28]If Sinatraa sees this..... I hope you know that you have a crazy amount of fans behind your back! And yes, we're all aware of the allegations and whatnot but nothing is proven so people shouldn't be saying anything or have the right to say anything. Sin, whether you go pro again or you're just a content creator, your fans are always going to be behind your back. Haters will always be hating no matter what you do bro! So just do what you love and go hard on it! We see you grinding and we know that deep down inside, you still have that competitive edge and you really do want to go pro again and grind this game out till you're at the top!. And honestly, you definitely can do this!
wtf is this abominable glaze bruh 💀💀
ash_knuckles [#35]wtf is this abominable glaze bruh 💀💀
https://www.vlr.gg/post/1736154/aim-improvement
needs a TLDR for his TLDR 💀💀
Reimsy [#17]He clearly has the mechanical skill to go pro again but idk about the mentality, he gives off a vibe like he doesn't give a fuck about anything
I think he cares about the LCQ matches from the past day, especially yesterday on breeze, when they were losing he started calling how to counter the enemy and tell his team if someone is dying in a stupid ways
scissors [#31]He's obviously very good mechanically and I think even strategically, but I think he has a terrible attitude and the mentality of a 16 year old high school bully. Who still uses 'virgin' as an insult besides highschoolers? (someones going to call me a virgin now, lmao)
i do, because i don’t view virgin as physical attribute, moreso a mentality. someone could have slept with 100s of people yet still act like an incel
virgins also lie, but you chose to speak facts
nutab1e [#36]https://www.vlr.gg/post/1736154/aim-improvement
needs a TLDR for his TLDR 💀💀
bro's a loquacious typer 💀
t1 mechanics, adequate gamesense, decent agent pool (as far as this tourney goes that is). dw about his mentality tho as it's perma fucked now cause of how scuffed his entire situation was (lowkey might be the most scuffed way i've ever seen two parties handle a situation of that gravity in my entire life, and kinda have to talk about it cus mentality is the major constituent of any good player)
Overall, would probably do decent in t1, but no team of 4 people who're trying to win would ever pick him up (that is, if his mental stays the same)
redlight [#22]As someone who knows OWL, fans know he was a prodigy but INCREDIBLY toxic. But once getting picked up by the Shock, he went from toxic prodigy to someone genuinely mature and respectful.
But once leaving the Shock and joining Sentinels, he somewhat went back to the toxic prodigy form, and after the allegations and going into CC, his mentality changed a lot.
It's undeniable that he has raw talent, but it's a matter of having someone to keep his mentality in check to ensure that he can become the best player he can be.
Also: I want to mention that regardless of the verdict, people still attack Cle0h. What she does with her life should not affect you.
Byagh Fukit get crusty on the UNTAMEABLE BEASTS coaching staff
BraindeadWalker__ [#19]He just acts like that he doesn't give a fuck. Coming to his potential,he is still the best flex player in NA.
If you think he's better than zekken/asuna you're smoking something
Reimsy [#47]If you think he's better than zekken/asuna you're smoking something
He's definitely better than Asuna (mechanically)
SeizVlr [#30]we should hate on average jonas this thread so he posts it again on twitter maybe sin will see it from there
Good idea! I'll start -
Average jognas mid player gold2 boosted by lineups and Odin bery bad bad
Reimsy [#47]If you think he's better than zekken/asuna you're smoking something
he's on par with zellsis rn, and def has the talent to surpass zekken
redlight [#22]As someone who knows OWL, fans know he was a prodigy but INCREDIBLY toxic. But once getting picked up by the Shock, he went from toxic prodigy to someone genuinely mature and respectful.
But once leaving the Shock and joining Sentinels, he somewhat went back to the toxic prodigy form, and after the allegations and going into CC, his mentality changed a lot.
It's undeniable that he has raw talent, but it's a matter of having someone to keep his mentality in check to ensure that he can become the best player he can be.
Also: I want to mention that regardless of the verdict, people still attack Cle0h. What she does with her life should not affect you.
What do you mean by “he got toxic again when he joined SEN”? Also the same way people speculate Cle0h made an OF as a way to deal with SA trauma, Sinatraa is probably also affected by the entire world constantly calling him a rapist even tho a verdict never came out. If you compare him pre and post allegations you can see two vastly different personalities.
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