Has to be the 2nd best apac controller no cap. He is definitely better than mindfreak and sscary for sure and I don't think he is that far behind mako either
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valulrantefanboy [#2]Laz and sugarz3ro are 2 main man of zeta
If they both turn up, zeta generally becomes unstoppable
ZeRUSia [#7]1.MaKo
2.SugarZ3ro
3.Mindfreak
4.Sscary
ETC (IDC)
eh i would put sscary above mindfreak
Ullyr [#4]bro chill out lol, like yeah he looks insane but its not like he has been super consistent. Zeta sometimes just fall apart. This is the biggest overreaction to one map i've seen. Its like ppl forget Mindfreak had insane lan master performance, one of which made PRX get second behind FPX.
I am not basing this on one map nor even 1 tourney. He has been consistent for zeta since the beginning. Be it their Iceland run or even their champions(even if they got grouped). Both him and laz always have been zeta best players
GreyDaze [#10]I am not basing this on one map nor even 1 tourney. He has been consistent for zeta since the beginning. Be it their Iceland run or even their champions(even if they got grouped). Both him and laz always have been zeta best players
yeah and what about when PRX got second in master lan? Mindfreak was hard carrying that tourny and ppl just forget and now saying he's below sugarzero wtf?
Ullyr [#11]yeah and what about when PRX got second in master lan? Mindfreak was hard carrying that tourny and ppl just forget and now saying he's below sugarzero wtf?
What happened to mindfreak later? Underperformed in champs. Underperformed even in india invitational. Also mindfreak played really well in copenhagen but calling it hard carry is just false. Jiing and forsaken both played better than him that tourney. Sugarz3ro has been consistent throughout and that puts him above mindfreak
GreyDaze [#14]What happened to mindfreak later? Underperformed in champs. Underperformed even in india invitational. Also mindfreak played really well in copenhagen but calling it hard carry is just false. Jiing and forsaken both played better than him that tourney. Sugarz3ro has been consistent throughout and that puts him above mindfreak
Oh bro he 1v4 fnatic that one round and had insane clutch percentages the entire LAN. He literally hard carried them to finals and was top 2 controller that event but sure he didn't hard carry lol. This is such a false narrative, what has Zeta achieved after that master run ? Mindfreak and PRX are still performing and doing well against international competition. They literally put mindfreak on Harbor literally most of India invitational. If you can't tell how dog shit that agent is the reason why he didn't look good.
Ullyr [#11]yeah and what about when PRX got second in master lan? Mindfreak was hard carrying that tourny and ppl just forget and now saying he's below sugarzero wtf?
we talking abt sugarzero why are u bringing up mindfreak
pitchfork [#17]we talking abt sugarzero why are u bringing up mindfreak
cause he literally said sugar is better than mindfreak. Read his statement. Such braindead fanboy take.
Ullyr [#18]cause he literally said sugar is better than mindfreak. Read his statement. Such braindead fanboy take.
oh okay im definitely trippin
Ullyr [#4]bro chill out lol, like yeah he looks insane but its not like he has been super consistent. Zeta sometimes just fall apart. This is the biggest overreaction to one map i've seen. Its like ppl forget Mindfreak had insane lan master performance, one of which made PRX get second behind FPX.
bro mindfreak has had exactly one DECENT performance for prx every other lan hes almost been the worst statistically controller but hes a very good role player for his team and hes clutch
Ullyr [#16]Oh bro he 1v4 fnatic that one round and had insane clutch percentages the entire LAN. He literally hard carried them to finals and was top 2 controller that event but sure he didn't hard carry lol. This is such a false narrative, what has Zeta achieved after that master run ? Mindfreak and PRX are still performing and doing well against international competition. They literally put mindfreak on Harbor literally most of India invitational. If you can't tell how dog shit that agent is the reason why he didn't look good.
That 1 v4 fnc means he is automatically the controller player in apac💀💀. Being the 2nd best controller player in the event means he hard carried prx💀. Logic missing here. Both jiing and forsaken were looking better than him for sure in Copenhagen. Who said prx hasn't been performing well later. Mindfreak just hasn't played that good after Copenhagen fs. It's not a false narrative,it's literally just stats. Zeta were in the group of death in Champs. There was literally no way they were making it out alive in that group. Prx had an easier group and still bombed out. Not saying prx was worse than zeta but do u see the facts here? Also u are quite literally twisting everything i said. Even if zeta performed shit,sugarz3ro was still consistently good. Mindfreak may have a higher peak but sugarz3ro has more consistency and better performances in recent months. That puts him above mindfreak for sure
GreyDaze [#23]That 1 v4 fnc means he is automatically the controller player in apac💀💀. Being the 2nd best controller player in the event means he hard carried prx💀. Logic missing here. Both jiing and forsaken were looking better than him for sure in Copenhagen. Who said prx hasn't been performing well later. Mindfreak just hasn't played that good after Copenhagen fs. It's not a false narrative,it's literally just stats. Zeta were in the group of death in Champs. There was literally no way they were making it out alive in that group. Prx had an easier group and still bombed out. Not saying prx was worse than zeta but do u see the facts here? Also u are quite literally twisting everything i said. Even if zeta performed shit,sugarz3ro was still consistently good. Mindfreak may have a higher peak but sugarz3ro has more consistency and better performances in recent months. That puts him above mindfreak for sure
Bro, you're a zeta fan boy with some really deranged takes. Zeta been playing against trash teams. They even lost to Talon 2 0 yesterday with no patiphan. And you're telling me they have consistency? Paper rex is literally playing against mostly international competitions and even beat Heretics in a best of 5 series. Saying that sugar is second best controller in all of APAC from this one map and series against GEN G who looks mid af is insanely delusional.
gordonramsay [#22]bro mindfreak has had exactly one DECENT performance for prx every other lan hes almost been the worst statistically controller but hes a very good role player for his team and hes clutch
What has sugar zero done against international competitions? I don't get why ppl comparing mindfreak stats against top teams world wide to Zeta who's only been playing trash APAC teams.
Ullyr [#4]bro chill out lol, like yeah he looks insane but its not like he has been super consistent. Zeta sometimes just fall apart. This is the biggest overreaction to one map i've seen. Its like ppl forget Mindfreak had insane lan master performance, one of which made PRX get second behind FPX.
sugarz3ro is way better than mindfreak bro stop coping
Ullyr [#24]Bro, you're a zeta fan boy with some really deranged takes. Zeta been playing against trash teams. They even lost to Talon 2 0 yesterday with no patiphan. And you're telling me they have consistency? Paper rex is literally playing against mostly international competitions and even beat Heretics in a best of 5 series. Saying that sugar is second best controller in all of APAC from this one map and series against GEN G who looks mid af is insanely delusional.
dude mindfreak is not consistent or is he better than sugarzero ur outta ur mind. Go check the stats at all masters. You just keep saying blah blah blah he played a crucial part in their 2nd place run. Nah bro besides a few clutches that team is carried so hard by jingg and f0rsaken its crazy. The amount of rounds that are over because jingg and f0rsaken gets multi kills is insane. Go check the vods before you say this because even with the eye test sugarzero is a more impactful controller than mindfreak. Both of them are great players but sugarzero can completely take over a game and im taking him any day of the week over mf
Ullyr [#25]What has sugar zero done against international competitions? I don't get why ppl comparing mindfreak stats against top teams world wide to Zeta who's only been playing trash APAC teams.
nah you actually biased as fuck. You wanna say zeta is playing trash teams but prx played ascension teams in that tournament while zeta has played 2 franchised teams. Sure gen g looks mid but talons looks pretty good and Im sure they might even be better off without pati. Talking about zeta playing trash teams lets be honest half or more than half of the apac teams are just as trash as japanese or korean teams. Also what international performances has mindfreak really shined on his team absolutely none. Go compare their stats before u talk
gordonramsay [#27]dude mindfreak is not consistent or is he better than sugarzero ur outta ur mind. Go check the stats at all masters. You just keep saying blah blah blah he played a crucial part in their 2nd place run. Nah bro besides a few clutches that team is carried so hard by jingg and f0rsaken its crazy. The amount of rounds that are over because jingg and f0rsaken gets multi kills is insane. Go check the vods before you say this because even with the eye test sugarzero is a more impactful controller than mindfreak. Both of them are great players but sugarzero can completely take over a game and im taking him any day of the week over mf
You're actually braindead you see kills and think oh PRX is about jing forsaken. Look at the amount of utility usage Benkai mindfreak and davai provides for jing and forsaken. That's how they get their kills. PRX function as a team that way their duelist looks good but the ones that's doing most of the heavy work is Benkai and mindfreak. They set up the plays and they are super clutch players. You think that Zeta would beat heretic right now ? Just look at how bad they play against Talon and how shit GEN G is atm. Its basically the most dumbest take, you put jing and forsaken on other teams they would struggle immediately cause they don't have the same support level as on PRX with Benkai and mindfreak.
valulrantefanboy [#2]Laz and sugarz3ro are 2 main man of zeta
I would disagree slightly. Laz, Sugar, and Dep are the stars of the team. The latter two tend to be more inconsistent but if 2 of the 3 show up in a game, Zeta will put up a great performance.
Chadz3ro +13
Botfreak -23
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kekw
Chadz3ro owns botfreak and all the bots from poop rex sons of zeta
Ullyr [#29]You're actually braindead you see kills and think oh PRX is about jing forsaken. Look at the amount of utility usage Benkai mindfreak and davai provides for jing and forsaken. That's how they get their kills. PRX function as a team that way their duelist looks good but the ones that's doing most of the heavy work is Benkai and mindfreak. They set up the plays and they are super clutch players. You think that Zeta would beat heretic right now ? Just look at how bad they play against Talon and how shit GEN G is atm. Its basically the most dumbest take, you put jing and forsaken on other teams they would struggle immediately cause they don't have the same support level as on PRX with Benkai and mindfreak.
and that is exactly why i said hes a good role player yah dumbass. Thats exactly whats hes good for being a good team player. But besides a few clutches he doesnt turn up and carry his team when they need him. Thats why theres always gonna be gap between him and the very best controllers. Maybe hes in a system where thats his job and hes doing good at it. But when hes restricted and even in stats it shows you cannot tell me or anyone hes the number 2 best controller in apac when sugarzero is clearly another version of mako but a bit worse
gordonramsay [#33]and that is exactly why i said hes a good role player yah dumbass. Thats exactly whats hes good for being a good team player. But besides a few clutches he doesnt turn up and carry his team when they need him. Thats why theres always gonna be gap between him and the very best controllers. Maybe hes in a system where thats his job and hes doing good at it. But when hes restricted and even in stats it shows you cannot tell me or anyone hes the number 2 best controller in apac when sugarzero is clearly another version of mako but a bit worse
Again bro, sugar is good but no where does he understands or play the role as clutch as mindfreak or mako. These two have been proven time and time against international teams and are competitive with NA EU and Brazil, imo are the top 3 region aside from DRX. Its just stupid to see fans overreact seeing these games because the level of competition is nothing like Champions/Masters.
Ullyr [#24]Bro, you're a zeta fan boy with some really deranged takes. Zeta been playing against trash teams. They even lost to Talon 2 0 yesterday with no patiphan. And you're telling me they have consistency? Paper rex is literally playing against mostly international competitions and even beat Heretics in a best of 5 series. Saying that sugar is second best controller in all of APAC from this one map and series against GEN G who looks mid af is insanely delusional.
and u mindfreak fanboy with insanely negative towards other teams. so grandfinalist loud and optic are trash team right. what about leviatan and liquid. they bombed out in playoffs (leviatan 1st seed didn't even took a single map). now tell me which teams are more trash. u using off season tourney as example lol even in those tourney mf still bad dont even lie.
Ullyr [#35]Again bro, sugar is good but no where does he understands or play the role as clutch as mindfreak or mako. These two have been proven time and time against international teams and are competitive with NA EU and Brazil, imo are the top 3 region aside from DRX. Its just stupid to see fans overreact seeing these games because the level of competition is nothing like Champions/Masters.
The top 3 controllers in apac can do exactly what mindfreak does but also carry their team when its needed. Mindfreak hasnt shown me that and until then he barely cracks top 3 for me in pacific
blazennn [#34]hot take: Crws will be the 5th best controller.
could be yah never know that guy is menace sometimes
Ullyr [#24]Bro, you're a zeta fan boy with some really deranged takes. Zeta been playing against trash teams. They even lost to Talon 2 0 yesterday with no patiphan. And you're telling me they have consistency? Paper rex is literally playing against mostly international competitions and even beat Heretics in a best of 5 series. Saying that sugar is second best controller in all of APAC from this one map and series against GEN G who looks mid af is insanely delusional.
U are absolutely braindead. I like both drx and prx more than zeta in apac. But I can see stats unlike u. U are either anindo fanboy who thinks all indo players are gods or just braindead. U also lack reading comprehension apparently. Why are u rven bringing zeta as a team into the discussion when we are talking about individual performances? Why are u bringing up prx vs th? Like what? Sugarz3ro has had consistent performances since forever. Is that so hard for u to understand. This is like the 4th time I am mentioning that I am not basing him on just his performance against geng but his recent individual performances in the past few months. Either u don't read b4 typing shitty arguments or just are unable to comprehend basic English
gordonramsay [#36]mfers really think mindfreak is better than sugarzero
Absolutely braindead ppl they are
Ullyr [#16]Oh bro he 1v4 fnatic that one round and had insane clutch percentages the entire LAN. He literally hard carried them to finals and was top 2 controller that event but sure he didn't hard carry lol. This is such a false narrative, what has Zeta achieved after that master run ? Mindfreak and PRX are still performing and doing well against international competition. They literally put mindfreak on Harbor literally most of India invitational. If you can't tell how dog shit that agent is the reason why he didn't look good.
You're so braindead 💀 💀
FlyingDoggoWoweeCIap7 [#47]people overrating Sugarz3ro cuz of this match man
https://www.vlr.gg/84645/fnatic-vs-zeta-division-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k-elimination-a
https://www.vlr.gg/84646/ninjas-in-pyjamas-vs-zeta-division-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k-decider-a
That's not calling overrating. He is the 2nd best apac controller without a doubt
gordonramsay [#28]nah you actually biased as fuck. You wanna say zeta is playing trash teams but prx played ascension teams in that tournament while zeta has played 2 franchised teams. Sure gen g looks mid but talons looks pretty good and Im sure they might even be better off without pati. Talking about zeta playing trash teams lets be honest half or more than half of the apac teams are just as trash as japanese or korean teams. Also what international performances has mindfreak really shined on his team absolutely none. Go compare their stats before u talk
What ? Heretics rrq and team secret are franchised teams. Wtf are u talking about?? LMAO they literally played 3 franchised team. You're telling me talon or gen g better than heretics ? What stats are u even comparing most of the APAC teams are trash other than DRX and PRX they're the only two that have proven to beat international teams consistently. Zeta had one master run and drop off a cliff.
fIuid [#26]sugarz3ro is way better than mindfreak bro stop coping
Lmao tsm fan talking . Biased and knee jerk reaction to think that zeta can compared with drx or prx . Can't even beat trash talon .
GreyDaze [#40]U are absolutely braindead. I like both drx and prx more than zeta in apac. But I can see stats unlike u. U are either anindo fanboy who thinks all indo players are gods or just braindead. U also lack reading comprehension apparently. Why are u rven bringing zeta as a team into the discussion when we are talking about individual performances? Why are u bringing up prx vs th? Like what? Sugarz3ro has had consistent performances since forever. Is that so hard for u to understand. This is like the 4th time I am mentioning that I am not basing him on just his performance against geng but his recent individual performances in the past few months. Either u don't read b4 typing shitty arguments or just are unable to comprehend basic English
No you're just a brain dead fan boy with knee jerk reaction. Imagine if zeta played instead of prx against heretics would have been so embarrassing for apac to lose to heretics. You talking like prx won't smurf against talon and gen g.
pitchfork [#37]and u mindfreak fanboy with insanely negative towards other teams. so grandfinalist loud and optic are trash team right. what about leviatan and liquid. they bombed out in playoffs (leviatan 1st seed didn't even took a single map). now tell me which teams are more trash. u using off season tourney as example lol even in those tourney mf still bad dont even lie.
I didn't say he's bad . But it'd fucking ridiculous to even call sugar zero a top 2 controller in apac just cause of his performance in this tourny lol. But everyone Is dumb af on this forum
FlyingDoggoWoweeCIap7 [#47]people overrating Sugarz3ro cuz of this match man
https://www.vlr.gg/84645/fnatic-vs-zeta-division-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k-elimination-a
https://www.vlr.gg/84646/ninjas-in-pyjamas-vs-zeta-division-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k-decider-a
he deserves bro sugarz3ro is good player
Ullyr [#51]No you're just a brain dead fan boy with knee jerk reaction. Imagine if zeta played instead of prx against heretics would have been so embarrassing for apac to lose to heretics. You talking like prx won't smurf against talon and gen g.
I am convinced u can't read. Why are u even talking about prx and zeta as teams. Like how dense is ur skull. This is like the 5th time I am saying this. I couldn't care less who is better among prx and zeta. Sugarz3ro>mf is all I am talking about and u haven't given a single counter argument to that except random bs that is completely irrelevant to the topic
Ullyr [#52]I didn't say he's bad . But it'd fucking ridiculous to even call sugar zero a top 2 controller in apac just cause of his performance in this tourny lol. But everyone Is dumb af on this forum
sugarz3ro is known as best astra itw cuz of his smokes play. we are talking about pure controller then sugarz3ro def up there with mako (mako is known for his brimstone and viper play). what mindfreak achievement as controller? u keep bringing up team achievement when OP talking about individual skill isn't backing up ur argument abt mindfreak > sugarz3ro. mindfreak fell off even on that india event accept it meanwhile sugarz3ro still fragging for his team.
pitchfork [#56]sugarz3ro is known as best astra itw cuz of his smokes play. we are talking about pure controller then sugarz3ro def up there with mako (mako is known for his brimstone and viper play). what mindfreak achievement as controller? u keep bringing up team achievement when OP talking about individual skill isn't backing up ur argument abt mindfreak > sugarz3ro. mindfreak fell off even on that india event accept it meanwhile sugarz3ro still fragging for his team.
That guy can't understand something as simple as that. It seems as he has brainrot
Ullyr [#49]What ? Heretics rrq and team secret are franchised teams. Wtf are u talking about?? LMAO they literally played 3 franchised team. You're telling me talon or gen g better than heretics ? What stats are u even comparing most of the APAC teams are trash other than DRX and PRX they're the only two that have proven to beat international teams consistently. Zeta had one master run and drop off a cliff.
Bro prx played heretics and team secret 🤣 Keep thinking hes better cause you ll be disappointed soon enough. Just know that sugarzero is better than mindfreak holy shit ur delusional
solsolid [#61]sure. But mindfreak is #1 raze god 100% win percentage VCT MY/SG Stage 2 no cap no root
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