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Thoughts on GC and how it affects the scene

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#1
iSlasher

I want to start off by saying that this is not one of those cringe transphobic/sexist threads that are getting deleted, so don't modcheck me.

I think that GC is a great way to bring more of an incentive to women and other marginalized genders in the gaming space to compete and come to VALORANT as an eSport. In this, it's excelled, as I believe that VALORANT is the only major eSports title to have major events specifically targeted at this demographic, so it is objectively a success for Riot for it to grow as big as it is.

With that said, I also think that it's created an unfortunate feedback loop that may actually damage the ability of some really good players to play in the main VCT events and find success at that level. It seems like all of the female players, regardless of their skill level, who want to compete go straight into GC. The only example of a female player on a highly competitive team was Scourge on Complexity as far as I can tell. The feedback loop I'm talking about is this: Female player tries to go pro --> Female pro joins a GC F/A team --> F/A team gets signed and stays in GC, preventing any of the best female talent from taking the next step up to participating in T1 --> New GC team can compete within GC but not in main VCT --> Players on GC teams get hate for not being as good as T1 teams --> Best GC players stay in GC because they can make a living doing what they love. I know meL specifically said she got an offer to trial with Pioneers and turned it down, and I can see why. Not only is developing a connection with your teammates hard, it takes a long time. There's no incentive other than the desire to compete at a higher level for players to go from T1 GC to T1 overall (although C9W was probably better than Pioneers at that time already). If anyone has an example of players who've made that jump, please let me know, because I'd love to be wrong. I know teams like C9W and G2 Gozen do play in the VCT Challengers qualifiers and they do better and better every year, but I think most people would agree that an already-T1 team with players like meL or florescent on it would perform better than they are right now.

TL;DR: I think some potentially T1 skill level female/marginalized players have gone to GC instead of T1/T2/T3 VCT teams, and there are a ton of incentives for them to do so. I wish that these teams could be "The best" and not "The best asterisk"

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totneK_kaT_umkaM
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Trying so hard just to be clapped by queen enerii in gc championship

#4
iSlasher
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ngl I have no clue who enerii is I only follow NA GC for the most part bc of timezones

#5
iSlasher
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just looked at her vlr, she looks like she's a good duelist, crazy high ACS/ADR numbers

#3
esney
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you a fool for writing this pls stop taking takes about gc

#6
WinterZ
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bro what do u have against game changers?

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fIuid
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you just said C9W was better than Pioneers at the time HAHA xD

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iSlasher
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I'm honestly not sure, tbf Pioneers was having some good matches and I don't think they ever played against C9W, but also they disbanded pretty fast with their last iteration

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zardinez
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Comparatively hes right

#8
queueK
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it's a temporary side-effect since GC's goal is to just get non-male people some competitive experience and fans that they possibly wouldn't be able to otherwise.

Supposedly, GC will eventually cease to exist or at least become more connected with the main circuit but there's been no communication regarding the timeline for that.

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doosean
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Like you have pointed out, many female players decide to go pro in GC. Since competition is not as good as it is in the regular VCTs, I'm going to assume that more dominant players in GC would earn more money there (just an assumption tho). It is flawed as we will not see players like meL compete in more competitive tournaments, but it is more than a great starting point for bridging the gap between what is currently a male-dominant scene.

This of course depends on Riot's and org's approach to this scene. I think Riot's approach so far has been good, but if the ultimate goal is raising the Game Changers scene to a near VCT level, then some changes need to be made, mostly from a PR perspective. Franchising could be a great building block, for example, make it mandatory for all teams into franchises to create a Game Changers roster within a year to compete, or something like that (I'm anything but an expert on this topic lol)

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number1_MIBR_hater
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Mucho texto, also from the TL;DR it sounds you don't watch too much fem val, GC teams get constantly stomped by F/A ranked mixes when playing on the regular VCT, it's not sexism, it's a fact, unfortunately the fem scene is below by now, that's why they have the GC to give more opportunity

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iSlasher
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Yes. The GC teams don't get to play against good T1 teams because it's illogical to go from stomping the fuck out of diamond F/A teams in GC to trying to play against the hardest competition around with little practice against said harder competition.

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burritx
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Mf forgot potter played for eg before becoming coach

#18
iSlasher
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good example thanks

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DELUSIONAL_POTTER_FAN
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w

#12
ritdro2211
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i think with time ,with more female players being confident , the scene will slowly change and more women can get into T1,2,3 leagues but for now ig it shud stay to have that platform for women to compete and grow

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HaSanity
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unlucky u got no real response brotha

#17
iSlasher
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Good example, thanks
edit: this was supposed to be replying to the comment that potter played in main vct, idk why vlr did it to my OP

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saltbox
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as others have said, this is definitely true right now and will probably be true for a while still, but i think (and hope) that it really is just a temporary issue and that as the GC scene grows (since we are barely 2 years into the game being live and even less time for the current competitive structures being in place), the issues will disappear as GC teams and players manage to climb their way up to the top

#20
iSlasher
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fingers crossed, I think it'd be cool if the winners of the GC championship got a spot at a masters or at champs so there'd be more of a direct path to success

#22
ChrisPewPew
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they would get destroyed , maybe they could get a VCT spot, and still would get destroyed but now with franchises wont be possible
Lets be real you put G2 Gozen in EMEA VCT or C9W in NA VCT and it would be a success for them if they can win a map in the whole event

If you put the best 5 female players in every role and make a super team in every region, that female super team would be like Akrew at most, or an EU mid VRL team

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iSlasher
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You know that C9W did win two series in the last VCT qual, right? How will GC teams ever hit the level of T1 male teams if they don't get to play against them?

#26
Supr3meGucci
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Retard

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SigmaMale
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Based comments got deleted

#25
snoozna
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Didnt read it all because its too long but nice opinion

#27
yamigamidark
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i dont watch if transgender female (from male) play in GC. it would be huge destroying scene itself like sport in olympic.

#28
burritx
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Bruh
Mf literally proved that a human being can use 0% of their brain

#29
yamigamidark
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u need learn biology about body man and women. i just dont want valorant female scene got destroy like sport in olympic. idc if people call me ignorant or phobic or etc.

#30
burritx
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My guy there's literally 0 advantages you can get in FPS games by being a man

You're comparing genetics to moving a mouse 🤡

#31
SigmaMale
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Yep, that's all goes into being a esport player. Just moving a mouse

#33
iSlasher
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physically speaking he's not technically wrong

#35
burritx
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You understood the point, don't play dumb
There will be 9 distinct genetically modified human species before man has an advantage over women in esports in the same level as a sport in the olympics

#32
yaiima0
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Transphobia in 2022 KEKW

#34
iSlasher
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the #1 GC team in the world and the #2 GC team in the world aren't getting carried by one transgender player. For example, G2 doesn't even have a transgender player as far as I can tell from their twitters, and C9's only transgender player is Bob who plays initiation support and isn't outperforming the cisgender female players like meL and Jazzykins on that team. Clearly, if having transgender players in GC would ruin it, these teams would be getting clapped and carried by transgender players, so your argument is invalid.

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Joyboy10001
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Yeah, i guess it could help if there was more cross over or more opportunities for some teams for GC to compete against non vct teams

I can understand why, from a financial/ career perspective, some female pros may choose to stay in GC/ take opportunities in GC bc the pro scene is cuthroat af and passion doesn't always pay the bills

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