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#1
LancelotTheFirst

if sentinels dropped every player, which team would benefit the most from picking up each of the players?

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Only useful ones are TenZ and Sick.

NRG need a proper Jett player so TenZ is an upgrade, Raze/Neon can be S0m.

Sick is overall a great flex player so he fits perfectly into FaZe for poised/supamen.

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sick to V1, The Guard(zellsis replacement since he is thinking of stepping down)
Tenz to 100T ( sean gares could help him but probably not gonna happen)
kanpeki back to akrew(although I would love too see him continue in T1, he just didn't make enough of an impression while being on sen)
dapr to Xset, Gen G (could replace ayrin and geng also looking for a 5th)
Shahz to a retirement home

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Shownu [#2]

Only useful ones are TenZ and Sick.

NRG need a proper Jett player so TenZ is an upgrade, Raze/Neon can be S0m.

Sick is overall a great flex player so he fits perfectly into FaZe for poised/supamen.

Another Shownu W

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Shownu [#2]

Only useful ones are TenZ and Sick.

NRG need a proper Jett player so TenZ is an upgrade, Raze/Neon can be S0m.

Sick is overall a great flex player so he fits perfectly into FaZe for poised/supamen.

you don't need both a jett and raze/neon, and between s0m and tex they can play jett just fine
poised is igl for faze

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on any case dapr and kanpeki would fall on tier 2 right away

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shahzam would be perfect for any tier 4-5 team

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GLN321 [#5]

you don't need both a jett and raze/neon, and between s0m and tex they can play jett just fine
poised is igl for faze

Tex is not TenZ buddy.

Supamen igls most maps. Poised only calls some rounds in Haven which is not a big value.

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broseiden [#3]

sick to V1, The Guard(zellsis replacement since he is thinking of stepping down)
Tenz to 100T ( sean gares could help him but probably not gonna happen)
kanpeki back to akrew(although I would love too see him continue in T1, he just didn't make enough of an impression while being on sen)
dapr to Xset, Gen G (could replace ayrin and geng also looking for a 5th)
Shahz to a retirement home

i'd love to see SicK having the impact that he has on an actual good team, he has so much value

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DbBested [#7]

shahzam would be perfect for any tier 4-5 team

Full time streaming > Tier 4-5

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Shownu [#10]

Full time streaming > Tier 4-5

obvs

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broseiden [#3]

sick to V1, The Guard(zellsis replacement since he is thinking of stepping down)
Tenz to 100T ( sean gares could help him but probably not gonna happen)
kanpeki back to akrew(although I would love too see him continue in T1, he just didn't make enough of an impression while being on sen)
dapr to Xset, Gen G (could replace ayrin and geng also looking for a 5th)
Shahz to a retirement home

dephh is their IGL and probably better and more versatile than dapr. Dapr is like the best cypher itw but on rest of the agents mediocre at best. Also, I love the idea of 100T TenZ more than anyone but Will is doing very well on 100T.

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Shownu [#8]

Tex is not TenZ buddy.

Supamen igls most maps. Poised only calls some rounds in Haven which is not a big value.

are u dumb poised is the only igl. supamen never calls even when poach was there he was secondary supa doesnt call

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avepalto [#9]

i'd love to see SicK having the impact that he has on an actual good team, he has so much value

SicK is def one of my fav pros

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Shownu [#8]

Tex is not TenZ buddy.

Supamen igls most maps. Poised only calls some rounds in Haven which is not a big value.

s0m would most likely play jett so it doesn't matter, but he's also decent. If you're gonna say "s0m is not tenz" then at that point just put tenz for literally every team itw bar like 6 or 7.
Idk whats your source on supamen igling most maps, he literally called poised "god igl" on his tweet after sen match https://twitter.com/supamen/status/1533210169324277761?s=20&t=uYL76gtGfHdclA9I0bYaJA

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HuntersFury [#12]

dephh is their IGL and probably better and more versatile than dapr. Dapr is like the best cypher itw but on rest of the agents mediocre at best. Also, I love the idea of 100T TenZ more than anyone but Will is doing very well on 100T.

"best cypher itw" 💀💀💀

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HuntersFury [#12]

dephh is their IGL and probably better and more versatile than dapr. Dapr is like the best cypher itw but on rest of the agents mediocre at best. Also, I love the idea of 100T TenZ more than anyone but Will is doing very well on 100T.

dapr would most likely replace ayrin, although I think he's still half-igl for the team. calling and role changes would be needed no matter what

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DbBested [#7]

shahzam would be perfect for any tier 4-5 team

Tier 4-5 teams can't waste money on a primary streamer who would lose most of his viewers as well when Sentinels hype and TenZ's teammate bonus is gone.

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sicksicksick [#13]

are u dumb poised is the only igl. supamen never calls even when poach was there he was secondary supa doesnt call

I might have been misinformed then mb. Still you can take our supamen and add Sick and it still works.

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HuntersFury [#12]

dephh is their IGL and probably better and more versatile than dapr. Dapr is like the best cypher itw but on rest of the agents mediocre at best. Also, I love the idea of 100T TenZ more than anyone but Will is doing very well on 100T.

Bots saying they would love to see tenz on 100t clearly don’t understand the atmosphere Ddk and Sean brought to the team. Someone like tenz will never be on that team as long as they are in charge of roster moves.

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GLN321 [#17]

dapr would most likely replace ayrin, although I think he's still half-igl for the team. calling and role changes would be needed no matter what

dapr just isn't that guy anymore man. Ayrin is a very good smoke player. TenZ and SicK are the only players I can see joining a top 8 team rn.

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GLN321 [#15]

s0m would most likely play jett so it doesn't matter, but he's also decent. If you're gonna say "s0m is not tenz" then at that point just put tenz for literally every team itw bar like 6 or 7.
Idk whats your source on supamen igling most maps, he literally called poised "god igl" on his tweet after sen match https://twitter.com/supamen/status/1533210169324277761?s=20&t=uYL76gtGfHdclA9I0bYaJA

S0m is nowhere near as good as Babybay, yay, saya etc... TenZ also plays Chamber which Tex normally plays for NRG and he hasn't been too consistent.

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Shownu [#22]

S0m is nowhere near as good as Babybay, yay, saya etc... TenZ also plays Chamber which Tex normally plays for NRG and he hasn't been too consistent.

never said s0m is as good as babybay yay or saya, just that they aren't in need of a jett especially with current meta. Tenz hasn't played a single map with chamber in his professional career.

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HuntersFury [#21]

dapr just isn't that guy anymore man. Ayrin is a very good smoke player. TenZ and SicK are the only players I can see joining a top 8 team rn.

what makes you say that? do you analyze their individual performance or is it just the fact that dapr plays in a shit team and ayrin plays in a good one? statistically they're very similar, and from what I recall, ayrin throws away his life in a lot of crucial rounds for xset, I can see dapr playing that role fine, and he'd be good lurking on smokes too, kinda like a watered down nats

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GLN321 [#23]

never said s0m is as good as babybay yay or saya, just that they aren't in need of a jett especially with current meta. Tenz hasn't played a single map with chamber in his professional career.

Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he cant. He will still be an upgrade which is what OP is trying to discuss.

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Shownu [#25]

Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he cant. He will still be an upgrade which is what OP is trying to discuss.

I didn't say he cant, I just corrected you for saying he does. he might be an upgrade, you're right, but you originally talked about nrg needing a proper jett, not a chamber

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GLN321 [#26]

I didn't say he cant, I just corrected you for saying he does. he might be an upgrade, you're right, but you originally talked about nrg needing a proper jett, not a chamber

Fairs but TenZ as a player is what I'm trying to say is an upgrade to NRG that lacks in firepower.

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GLN321 [#24]

what makes you say that? do you analyze their individual performance or is it just the fact that dapr plays in a shit team and ayrin plays in a good one? statistically they're very similar, and from what I recall, ayrin throws away his life in a lot of crucial rounds for xset, I can see dapr playing that role fine, and he'd be good lurking on smokes too, kinda like a watered down nats

statistically, dapr is a little better. and you are right, good players on good teams often look and seem better than good players on not so good teams.

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Beforemath [#20]

Bots saying they would love to see tenz on 100t clearly don’t understand the atmosphere Ddk and Sean brought to the team. Someone like tenz will never be on that team as long as they are in charge of roster moves.

It doesn't matter about atmosphere I think that if a team is desperate enough they would try anything (like 100t have before). So if Will were to ever just start underperforming and TenZ was on the market for cheap not no 2 mil buyout, Sean and DDK would definitely pick him up.

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GLN321 [#24]

what makes you say that? do you analyze their individual performance or is it just the fact that dapr plays in a shit team and ayrin plays in a good one? statistically they're very similar, and from what I recall, ayrin throws away his life in a lot of crucial rounds for xset, I can see dapr playing that role fine, and he'd be good lurking on smokes too, kinda like a watered down nats

Why doesn't he play smokes for SEN then? Cz no one plays traditional sentinel roles nowadays and TenZ/kanpeki could easily pick up Chamber! You would force him in a top3 team replacing a full time smoke main when there's countless controllers better than him on the market!

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sicksicksick [#13]

are u dumb poised is the only igl. supamen never calls even when poach was there he was secondary supa doesnt call

I think Poach was like the “2nd IGL” but didn’t really do any calling

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HuntersFury [#30]

Why doesn't he play smokes for SEN then? Cz no one plays traditional sentinel roles nowadays and TenZ/kanpeki could easily pick up Chamber! You would force him in a top3 team replacing a full time smoke main when there's countless controllers better than him on the market!

well what do I know, why does anybody do what they do at sentinels? ayrin used to be a sentinel player for xset too btw, he's not a full time smokes main at all, its just that xset adapted to meta comps the right way unlike sentinels. Also, it's not true that no one plays traditional sentinel roles nowadays, 100t, for example, play a lot of kj/cypher/viper with stellar in a lot of maps with great success. there also aren't countless controllers better than him on the market lmao

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GLN321 [#32]

well what do I know, why does anybody do what they do at sentinels? ayrin used to be a sentinel player for xset too btw, he's not a full time smokes main at all, its just that xset adapted to meta comps the right way unlike sentinels. Also, it's not true that no one plays traditional sentinel roles nowadays, 100t, for example, play a lot of kj/cypher/viper with stellar in a lot of maps with great success. there also aren't countless controllers better than him on the market lmao

Seems like you know more than ShahZam and dapr himself! If dapr wanted to play smokes or was good ait he would have played smokes already. There's nothing to suggest that he would be a better smoke player than Ayrin. Doesn't matter what he used to play, he plays full time smokes nowadays and when they need Cypher, dephh plays it. As for better controllers- skuba, pureVNS, zander just to name a few and they are all gettable.

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Dapr is very good, I just think he has a bad mental

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GLN321
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HuntersFury [#33]

Seems like you know more than ShahZam and dapr himself! If dapr wanted to play smokes or was good ait he would have played smokes already. There's nothing to suggest that he would be a better smoke player than Ayrin. Doesn't matter what he used to play, he plays full time smokes nowadays and when they need Cypher, dephh plays it. As for better controllers- skuba, pureVNS, zander just to name a few and they are all gettable.

brother you just said tenz could easily pick up chamber in your other comment, seems like you know more than shahzam and tenz himself! 😂 Of course we're talking hypotheticalls, almost nobody fits 1 to 1 role and gameplay wise to any team, of course they're gonna adapt. Also dephh hasn't played cypher since last season, not like that has to do with anything tho. You also named three controllers, far from countless, but that's just me. I never claimed dapr would be the best signing in the market anyways, that's not the question at all lmao. The question is what teams would benefit from picking them up, not what are the ideal signings for those teams

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Hot take: every player on sentinels (yes even shaz) are all great and could compete with the best in tier 1 assuming they’re on non dysfunctional teams.

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zardinez [#36]

Hot take: every player on sentinels (yes even shaz) are all great and could compete with the best in tier 1 assuming they’re on non dysfunctional teams.

Would kind of agree, not sure about kanpeki yet tho. I definitely wouldnt give shahzam as much freedom and control as he has now as igl in sentinels tho. If they can improve the mentality then Im sure they could still play at a good level.

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GLN321 [#37]

Would kind of agree, not sure about kanpeki yet tho. I definitely wouldnt give shahzam as much freedom and control as he has now as igl in sentinels tho. If they can improve the mentality then Im sure they could still play at a good level.

Yeah I think he’s been an awful igl recently and his individual performance has also not been great (probably because of his mental), but people too easily forget he was an elite player all through last year (on sova, breach, etc) and even first stage this year. He was also known as a fantastic igl with great reads. Sentinels have been in a massive rut but he could definitely perform again on a better team.

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zardinez [#36]

Hot take: every player on sentinels (yes even shaz) are all great and could compete with the best in tier 1 assuming they’re on non dysfunctional teams.

Shaz just needs to move away from igl. His individual ability is still pretty strong, but it's obvious being the igl has affected his play a ton.

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GLN321 [#35]

brother you just said tenz could easily pick up chamber in your other comment, seems like you know more than shahzam and tenz himself! 😂 Of course we're talking hypotheticalls, almost nobody fits 1 to 1 role and gameplay wise to any team, of course they're gonna adapt. Also dephh hasn't played cypher since last season, not like that has to do with anything tho. You also named three controllers, far from countless, but that's just me. I never claimed dapr would be the best signing in the market anyways, that's not the question at all lmao. The question is what teams would benefit from picking them up, not what are the ideal signings for those teams

You can't be a real human! TenZ himself said he was playing Chamber in some maps. They just didn't get to try him out in a real match. TenZ playing chamber isn't a far fetched idea, the character plays similar to a duelist that can OP! Dapr on smokes on the other hand is a whole different thing and it would take lot of adjustments since he has never played Brim or Omen! How hard it is to understand? It's not FIFA career mode that you can just put people wherever you want and expect them to be really good at it. I named 3 controllers as an example. Xset is a top 3 team already, they don't need looking at loads of options they just need the very best players.

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CowboySG [#39]

Shaz just needs to move away from igl. His individual ability is still pretty strong, but it's obvious being the igl has affected his play a ton.

yeah but his ego will never let this happen

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TSM NRG and Faze all could benefit by picking them up, I think shahz should move away from igl if he wants to keep playing and dapr was hit hard by chamber meta. kanpeki should also move back to duelist imo

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GLN321 [#5]

you don't need both a jett and raze/neon, and between s0m and tex they can play jett just fine
poised is igl for faze

here in latam north scrims we run jett and raze on bind and we have a 6W:1L record so far so jett and raze/neon can work

or it could just be that latam is shit region

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HuntersFury [#40]

You can't be a real human! TenZ himself said he was playing Chamber in some maps. They just didn't get to try him out in a real match. TenZ playing chamber isn't a far fetched idea, the character plays similar to a duelist that can OP! Dapr on smokes on the other hand is a whole different thing and it would take lot of adjustments since he has never played Brim or Omen! How hard it is to understand? It's not FIFA career mode that you can just put people wherever you want and expect them to be really good at it. I named 3 controllers as an example. Xset is a top 3 team already, they don't need looking at loads of options they just need the very best players.

Hey guess what! Playing smokes as a sentinel isn't a far fetched idea either! Its easy to lurk with, you can stronghold with it, and it's why so many sentinels like nAts or even Ayrin himself(!!!!) switched to playing smokes! It's as hard for an entry and hyper agressive player like TenZ to pick up a sentinel than it is for a sentinel player like dapr to pick up smokes, which he has already been doing in icebox! Also, don't know if you've ever played fifa career mode before, but players have set roles. In valorant, however, its pretty common for players to change roles and be good at them, like so many teams have done this year already. yay, nats, derke, alfajer, chronicle, fns, sheydos, sick, cryocells, victor, saadhak, redgar, nukkye, starxo, zeek, etc. It also seems you didn't read the last part of my comment where I didn't say xset should sign dapr, they probably shouldn't do changes for now, nor that dapr would be the best replacement, but that in a hypothetical scenario he would be a net positive change!

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