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TSM vs. 100T

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#1
Deadpanmitten94

TSM are 4-0 against new 100T if I’m not mistaken. So theoretically TSM > 100T. According to most tsm fans on this site 100T is dog.

But why is 100T at the top of the group and TSM at the bottom?

I mean no disrespect to TSM, I genuinely think they are solid. But not nearly as well rounded as 100T.

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I really hope TSM make it to playoffs so 100T can have their revenge

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fardeengg
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I have to say it xset was the best team in our group and we beat them 2-0 + guard
am so fucking proud of these guys

#16
UnEstoppable
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Plus the guard beat TSM and we destroyed them, so last match was basically a wash. Plus, they boot camping now 💪

#19
vern
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you beat guard when they were figuring shit out and in a slump.

#22
no1haterbutloveyou2
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neT had a bad day as well

#34
no1haterbutloveyou2
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wait, so you guys are downfragging me because he had personal issues?

#36
vern
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forget it bro. someone of these guys are hella insecure

#30
unknown_trash
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Cope harder tsm fan

#33
PrTsty
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I have to agree with that. But our XSET game proved a lot

#35
vern
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without a doubt yh. You guys dominated XSET. Insecure 100T fans downvoting lmfao

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AnishXV
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ill give u guys the xset series but lets be honest u guys beat the guard when they didnt properly figure out their comps and net was dealing with other issues

#4
ethanos
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tbf TSM went against NRD who I think is top 3 group and guard who played well

#5
PrTsty
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both are pretty good ngl, TSM is still good, The guard just came back from sleeping

#6
Deadpanmitten94
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Yeah I genuinely mean no disrespect to tsm i’m just tryin to stir up some tsm fans but you know they won’t be on here today

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MourninggStarr
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tsm playstyle just plays super well against 100T's playstyle, 100T is probably the better overall team but TSM is just a better matchup against them

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PrTsty
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Lets be honest tho, our team played bad against TSM, bad prep (I mean we got surprised by the role swaps). But also we didnt take map control and were scared to play our own game. On the whole split game we never had A main control, we didnt dven hace info on A main the whole game

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romanval
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tsm is 100t kryptonite, the only team they have lost to in vct, beat xset, guard and eg easily

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InfernalSpectre
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I think both teams are equally skilled in a completely non bias way. I’m a tsm fan but I consider myself to be a pretty non bias person. I’m making power rankings for the group stage for fun if you want to check it out and see. Regardless while we are 4-0 vs 100t and 100t did beat guard and xset I don’t think it’s fair to say who is better than the other this way. Each team has their own play style as well as their good and bad days. 100t beat guard when they were on a bad day and guard beat us when we were on a bad day. Y’all played really well today but I do think xset had an off day today. Cryo was terrible map 1 and zekken didn’t play as well in map 2. That’s not to take away from 100t’s win. Will played insane and bang came up with so many big plays. In end I think everyone in group a is pretty much on the same skill level. It just depends who pops off harder, who has a better day, who prepped more, things like that. No point in drawing these kinds of comparisons. It just makes each teams fan base hate another for no good reason. Congrats on y’all’s win today. Hope we make playoffs so we can play again.

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080305
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Don't disagree

#11
TacoTreyKirby
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Everyone has an off day when 100T win. It could be possible that 100T cause these off days to occur?

#14
InfernalSpectre
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If you think 100t are causing players to have off days you’re reaching. If you think I’m bias just look at the power rankings I made for week 1. I literally put them at 2. If you want to tell yourself guard played at their best when 100t beat them go ahead. If you want to tell yourself cryo and xset played at their best today then go ahead. In the end though there’s a line between reality, reaching, and delusion. 100t definitely played well today but xset were definitely not at their best. Congrats on the win though truly.

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Daniel12345
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100T kept walking down mid or elbow and he was constantly dying without anyone really trading him on Breeze. When he was on defence, 100T used heavy util usage and pushed him off-site, and then Xset's retakes were not good. On bind he was playing really well because he wasn't getting caught out a lot due to Xset having more control of the map. When they have that, it all comes down to aim, and he delivered. So yes I would say 100T made him play bad on the first map because they did their research on how they play breeze and countered it easily.

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InfernalSpectre
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I will say I didn't watch all of it. When I was watching, I felt that Cryo just didn't perform rather than 100T playing better, not to say they didn't play well though. Even if situations like 1v2 1v3, Cryo has been good for at least one in a lot of cases. Regardless of how 100t performed today, I don't think Cryo played as well as he normally did. He's typically good for at least one unless he is getting backstabbed which I don't think he was for every play. Again, 100t played well but I don't think Cryo performed up to his potential.

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Deadpanmitten94
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Nah he’s saying that every time 100T win everyone says the opposing team had an off day. But maybe 100T was just better prepped and played better. Teams playing bad doesn’t necessarily mean they were having an off day. Maybe they are just getting diffed. I’m the case of the guard, they just had to get back into it, in the case of XSET, they had a fine day. 100T just diffed them in every aspect, especially in prep.

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InfernalSpectre
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I mean 100t have won 2 games so far and even for delusional 100t I think it's safe to say Guard was simply not even close to what they were in stage 1. They were in the gutter. Today, I really do think XSET weren't performing like they normally do. To the point of saying everytime 100t win everyone says the opposing team had an off day. They've won 2 games and who is everyone? You're generalizing so much to try to prove a point it doesn't prove anything.

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Deadpanmitten94
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Jeez you really do get your knockers rocked when someone disagrees with you. No one said the guard were what they were in stage 1. Clearly that’s not the case lmfao. And you’re right I am generalizing. If I were to get specific I would same mainly TSM fans. Cause they on a high horse now that they can compete for the first time in almost two years.

#25
InfernalSpectre
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You know what I had a whole ass response to you but you just stay toxic and delusional bud have a nice day :)

#27
wkeyspectre
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this is what ppl say when they don't have an answer

#39
InfernalSpectre
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Yep sure pal whatever you say

#29
Deadpanmitten94
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TL;DR: Grow up.
You know, trying to “be the bigger man” and not posting your “whole ass response” is contradictory as soon as you typed up “toxic and delusional”. I never attacked you personally. You came out swinging with “delusional 100t”, even though the evidence doesn’t back your argument when looking at the larger pool of comments coming from tsm fans. Your argument is flawed, you refuse to see the logic behind what people are trying to tell you, and you get wickedly defensive as soon as anyone challenges you. I’m happy to discuss this somewhat civilized with some healthy banter and tagging on the other’s team, but you seem to want to shell up and call people names as soon as you are opposed. I have nothing against TSM. I have nothing against you. You just seem to lack the maturity to understand logic.

#41
InfernalSpectre
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Sure man whatever you say. I know 100t fans have a massive ego as proven above. Stay mad :)

#12
fardeengg
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when everyone said asuna and will had a bad day vs tsm that was an excuse for tsm fans lmao

#13
InfernalSpectre
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You realize that doesn’t make sense yes? Why would a tsm fan say asuna and will had a bad day when they could just say tsm is the better team? 100t fans say asuna and will had a bad day as an excuse. I agree asuna and will had a bad day against tsm. That’s the reality of it. These teams will have bad days especially when they’re a new team. Look at optic who has been a team for some time now. They’re well put together and rarely have bad games. If one player does then another steps up.

#23
EntryKJ
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I think he meant to say that TSM fans called it an excuse when people said Asuna and Will were on an off day against TSM. But now according to the TSM fans on this thread, it seems that every team that lost to 100T was because of the same 'excuse' of off day.

I'm trying to explain what he seemed to have implied. Not my opinion on this.

#26
InfernalSpectre
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I mean as far as I can tell I'm the only tsm fan here and I definitely did not say anything like that.

#31
unknown_trash
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You are telling that on this site, you're the ONLY tsm fan? Please tell me you're joking.

#40
InfernalSpectre
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Sorry you lack reading comprehension skills man.

But now according to the TSM fans on this thread

#42
unknown_trash
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sorry you lack skills in making your point clear man.
"I'm the only tsm fan here"

#43
InfernalSpectre
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Like I said you lack reading comprehension skills and apparently critical thinking. "here" refers to the thread because

But now according to the TSM fans on this thread
Nice try tho

#44
unknown_trash
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like i said you cant make your point clear. "here" can mean in this thread or on this site. Nice try though

#37
fardeengg
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thank you that's what I meant

#28
EntryKJ
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I agree with most of what you said, but I think XSET having an off day was also due to how 100T played on Map 1 Breeze. 100T had good reads on Breeze and played well as a team, which made it very hard for XSET to get rounds in the first half. Cryo had a bad Map 1 because 100T had good reads on his positioning. I think that has a significant role in "XSET's off day".

I agree with the rest. Guard was definitely not playing well against 100T and Ghost (seemed like they couldn't get the new roles to work well for them).

#18
MerkFreeks
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its called TSM is the kryptonite of 100T but shit the bed against everyone else in simple terms.
Thats not saying TSM or 100T are bad just that TSM is at the bottom because they can't* beat any of the other teams in their group.

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