I watched RA since they first formed and it's true that they had no success at first but it was evident they were already improving every match. I think it's unfair and a bit hindsight to say they wouldn't have had success later on anyway - especially since it was a new team who hadn't played with each other before. It's kinda expected that they will start slow then improve. And it's not like the players were bad at all, YiHao and Spitfires are both veterans - one who was on KONE (ex-2nd best CN team) and the other as a former teammate of KK. Then just look at where Mart1n and Viva are now, and they've only been playing since February which is insane.

That's already 4 very good players who can compete at an EDG-level, and have already done so. So I definitely don't agree that they'd be at an NIP level without the changes - and I think Mart1n and Viva's massive improvement would've happened either way - since you get players like B1ank, Kai & Lysoar coming out of nowhere. With that said though, yoman has been incredibly important as a very good IGL for RA, but I think even more credit should go to the KR coach. Without him I doubt RA would be top 3, but still very good - RA would invest into better coaching and maybe pick up a main duelist like Spring anyway. Sorry for the yap I have been rooting for RA as the dark horse since their early days so I have a lot to say, just kinda sad to see people think this team is just stew + yoman

I overcooked and burnt it

Bro just look at RA's history and it is not just a stew + yoman carry team. Stew has been inconsistent for RA he doesn't just carry every game. Viva on the other hand was by far their best + most consistent player during almost all of act 2

Don't underestimate the other cn players, you should've learnt that from Ardiss

What why viva to main duelist when he plays flex and spring is a duelist main??

Good bait almost got me

https://www.vlr.gg/pickem/5c2155a3

Let me cook

NWG underrated

Nope, I copy and pasted the number and double checked multiple times

Nvm it was vlr glitching, it said you had 117373 posts and I was like wtf 💀

117373 / 437 = 268.58 posts/day

That's for the actual vct, I don't think that rule applies to this ascension. Look at how many other teams have more than one import and no subs

Dude how do you have an average of 269 posts a day wtaf do you spend your life on here

Wym they beat both RA and FPX lmao

Not really theres people like me who rather spends their time scrimming, competing in school esports, other tourneys (redbull etc.) instead of grinding ranked - its a much better use of my time. The same reason why you see many pros don't play much ranked

Not a great org

Oh I see

their roster is actually very good, all players are individually skilled but there are some issues with coaching (I think more so than just pure chemistry issues)

You don't know how big the val playerbase in CN is rn do you

Honestly there were some rumours that RA won't be in franchising and I might believe them tbh

My guy do you have dementia, franchising was not long ago and a direct example that it is never about the roster and more about the stability and money of the organisation. If EDG were struggling internally they would not be in either, why do you think OPTIC are not in the Americas league

they really haven't lmao

It's gonna be Tokyo all over again

It's gonna be Tokyo all over again isn't it

ffs I want to see EDG vs DRX for once come on

Chichoo ngl

nt EDG :(

coach (who used to be coach of ex-2nd best team in CN) left

I agree, it doesnt really matter what it is as long as you're both enjoying it. That's why the people replying to you are virgins, need to stop hating on everything and be more open minded

EDG Yue incoming

加油 (Jiāyóu) - Come on!

what were they playing before?

Both chinese and english (Berlin calls in english for Autumn)

KBG 2-1

TEC is actually quite a decent team with the players they got, especially kawaii and Abo

I just saw someone fall to their knees in Coles

加油哥们！

As a true flagger I'm disappointed. Its time to learn chinese bud

HOLY SHIT W TE

Unfortunately I think ZETA will take this 2-0 but EDG will come back and win it all in finals

Tbh no viper is fine on lotus as long as you go double controller, with that said they didn't do that either. And cypher on lotus wtf??

It's a global release tfym

Let's go LIZHI!!!!

Viva wtf

FAX.

YHchen has always been so good, and I'd take Yuicaw easily over either monk/bunt who overheat far too easily

+21 WTF...

Zero1 was brought in to replace YHchen as an IGL. They want to move away from aggressive overheat playstyle and move more to a strategical style. They've achieved that with their new lineup and are already doing far better. Monk and bunt overheat far too much and even though they might do better in CN, ASE has no chance going anywhere internationally with those 2, I mean they couldn't even make it to top 4 last stage. I've been watching ASE for just as long as you and even though those 2 are great mechanically they have questionable decision making (which they get away with against any non-top-4 team), especially during moments where it matters the most - it pains me to watch them sometimes. Yuicaw has always been a good player, just not on jett/entry since he plays more passive than he should - the other roles fit him more. If you watched today's match Zero1 had high impact, this is pro play, bot-fragging clearly isn't a glaring issue - he is playing a support role. If Life kept bot-fragging then there's an issue.

Not really, in the past yeah but AAAAY and Lysoar have EDG level aim, arguably even Berlin but he can be inconsistent
FPX was around the same mechanical level in today's match.
ASE have made good roster changes for a more passive & strategic playstyle and it's benefitted them very well. Their result today was because they played smarter (only slightly)

they're playing without their igl dw they'll comeback in east asia gc

EDG are playing with sub tho

Google is free bro

I wouldn't say the changes are questionable