1. TH
2. VIT
3. FUT
4. KC
5. BBL
6. FNC
7. GX
8. M8
9. NAVI
10. KOI
11. APK
12. TL

riens
trexx
trent

yes, they were in fact still losing with leo, and it's relevant because at one point they were the undisputed best team in the world with leo. kept the same roster in 2024 and that was no longer the case, what changed? sure maybe leo is sick but leo was still doing well enough for the team to still on paper be title contenders except they simply weren't. got bounced 0-2 in shanghai (they lost to fucking fut) and then it was downhill from there

it will take more than -crashies +leo to make this team a title contender again. this isn't 2023, fnatic aren't ahead of the game anymore

i think they will win today, i lowkey think they're at the very least a middle tier team

trexx isn't even the best player on vitality

my goat is entering his zellsis arc, it's so over

i can be a fan of a shit team and still point out when a team needs more than just a better player

7. jawgemo

jawgemo not here bcs he is overrated

i'm sure they'd rather win than lose at all

you can get leo and make internationals but with how the scene looks they're not gonna get any trophies unless they keep up with the others. fnatic still looks incredibly slow in their decision making and that has cost them more than a few tournaments since 2023

i'm not saying leo isn't better than crashies, but these guys were still losing even with leo on the team, there's gotta be more changes to fnatic's gameplan if they wanna regain their 2023 form

crashing out over valorant in big 2025

who plays duelist between sato and okeanos

y'all were still losing with leo bro

fnatic needs more than just some roster changes

fns is my goat but he lowkey just shits on both the teams playing LMAOOO

you're still here?

tf happened to both these teams... they are both playing terribly

no you were cooking before you edited

replace hype and maybe avova & apeks might actually be a better team than this navi

the way you said this made it seem as though a simple fix is just not to lose

cool, sure, that's valid, but that doesn't fix the fact that kc beat a team and were still the first to leave while other teams haven't beaten anyone and are still in + not playing for three months is crazy

“oh you wanna win? have you tried not losing?”

yeah bro, as if the issue isn’t with the format itself

hey kc, you dropped something 🤣

top 3 potential

greatest jinx oat

riot laugh thread more like

fragging igl

marteen’s one of the best yoru players in the world, but he can’t be forced to play it every map

he’d be better if they stopped making him permalock yoru

maybe that’s why he went to americas, to purposefully sandbag them so his region could thrive

double agent masterclass

dunno why you get so mad every time a non-emea fan talks about your region

actually quite sad to watch

but will it be enough to translate onto lan? they’ve BEEN competitive, just not against other regions

what does jawgemo have to do with this 😭

westside is going to have the worst time of his life

bruh

cloud is him

noah > kdaliste

when in doubt, pull out the judge

he’s absolutely ridiculous

yeah it just seems like they’re trying to force this comp to work

feels like this is gonna be a recurring issue with this specific roster

his yoru is good i just don’t think it gets as much value as raze on this map

rrq is making it to paris

the two replies directly above me were written after the posters did heavy drugs

would like to see kc do well, imagine the hype if they make it to paris

against who? a bottom-tier navi and an unproven vitality?

don’t get me wrong, i think karmine corp is a good team, one of the better ones in the region, it’s just weird to let them off the hook and say “yeah dw they’re still good” if they lose when they should be projected to win against gx ( lower middle tier emea team )

classic

why are people so set on the fact kc is a top team, what have they done to merit this

vitality is overrated until proven otherwise

th only had one bad map, they’re fine

good
get him off smokes bro

i’ve only ever seen it in game changers

sr did it once in a qualifier but that’s it

two 13-0 in two days goddamn

him being aggro on jett was him walking up, winning aim duels, and then using jett util to prevent the trade; he does this best with a good support system and that’s why eg was so good

demon1 can’t be used to his full potential when he’s made to die before the team can even set him up

because these teams don’t know how to use the mf, they keep putting him on primary duelist roles when his style was never suited for that

yo lemme cook that 🗣️