the 21-50 is in no order (random)
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holy shit i just read it
RieNs is living rent free in Brazil's head WTF LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Chronicle #1 player of all time. kaajak skibidi exit fragger gonna be here? Derke clears
Chronicle #1 player of all time.
Kaajak is not an EMEA bum farmer holy shit.
Alfajer top 3 player of all time (Chron, Derke, Alfajer)
FNATIC 3-2 PRX
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sad Derke and Leo arent here
21-75 (no order in each category). This can be improved and is very rough:
21-30: Shao, Suygetsu, Demon1, Zekken, d4v41, Jingg, Chichoo, BuZz, Munchkin, Zmjjkk
31-40: RieNs, Ange1, Zeek, Ethan, Marved, Boostio, pAncada, Keznit, Stax, mindfreak
41-50: Kaajak, ScreaM, Sayf, Ardiis, Wo0t, Redgar, Trent, kiNgg, Something, Smoggy
51-60: Starxo, Jamppi, Sheydos, Zyppan, Victor, Leaf, Mazino, sScary, Karon
61-70: Miniboo, Benjyfishy, Boo, SicK, bang, c0m, Heat, Zest, Rb, nobody
71-77: Ruxic, Nukkye, johnqt, s0m, Cryo, Zellsis, Asuna
2025 aug 21 edit: kaajak 51-60 -> 41-50. Victor 41-50 -> 51-60
Leo hasnt peaked. Yes yay peak > current leo peak, but Leo's peak has not been reached (greater than imaginable)
ye as mr. emea fan, I have to agree Leo is overrated in all time rankings. Yes, Leo is easily by miles the actual best player for a team (aim-wise & smartest), but u cant say that for all time player rankings.
Derke and Chronicle are the goats of this game and people can debate between them, not asspiss.
the following is not MVPs and is the best player at different times (not the actual ranking of players in the year):
2021 is TenZ, nAts, Chronicle
2022 is yay, Shao/Suygetsu, yay
2023 is Leo, Leo, Demon1
2024 is Zekken, T3xture, Zmjjkk
2025 first third is Derke
idc that Vitality did not win. bro WAS SHITTING on everyone
Top 20 players VLR EDITION: https://www.vlr.gg/371303/top-20-players-vlr-edition/
G2: Took yoru strats from Lothar who happily gave them (EU)
SEN: Johnqt (EMEA - literally said he represents EMEA himself (https://x.com/1johnqt/status/1771860317561086419))
MIBR: Derke (EU) clears aspiss. Nats (EU) clears asspiss. Chronicle (EU) clears asspiss. Leo (EU) clears asspiss.
XLG: Rarga is Russian. Russia is part of EMEA.
Wolves: Esports division of English football team Wolverhampton Wanderers
BilliBilli: There is a rumor that Ardiis the European spy has secretly been coaching Billi Billi players
RRQ: Jemkin (Russian = EMEA)
GENG: PUMA Sponsor (EU)
PRX: Mini (EU Coach) gave them help that aided in them coming to Toronto. Also Alecks is French/from France.
Yes that's what happens when you win a game top fragging and then compare your stats to the worst winless team's players
Berlin - Win : Gambit 13-0 G2 (nAts lurks and clutches), Gambit 3-0 Envy (nAts cringe ass viper setups on Bind)
Champs 23-Shock upset vs NAVI (it would be an upset if it happened after we watched DRX vs NAVI and LOUD vs NAVI) - wasnt
Toronto-Shock upset vs MIBR (honestly, most ppl put them as the favorites and the only reason they wouldnt be is because of like 0 preparation time)
bro is still insane after 4-5 years. all the allegations of 2021 being a dinosaur era have been destroyed and EU dominance back then is validated. Today EU isnt doing as good (still the best in Valorant of all time though) due to skibidi metas, maps, and rito rigging time EMEA gets to prepare.
no Derke and Chronicle easily clear
people say aspas just to ensure it isnt an EMEA player who is a goat (with EMEA being the most hated region + least viewership). Like I dont get why ppl say aspas when Derke and Chronicle just clear in every way basically.
I could create the same argument for EU. ill show later
Optic 22 is a superteam (Envy existed and established themselves before that)
Stop spreading misinformation.
BLG (4 weeks of prep) barely beat TL w/o nAts and with 1 day of prep
well considered or not, they WERE a superteam though
well sacy and saadhak core were established as the greats of brazil in 2021 so idk wdym by the loud not being able to be considered a superteam.
lev had one of the best initiators at the time (c0m), 2nd best LATAM igl and one of the best fraggers (kinGg), proven great flex for 3 years (Mazino), aspas (one of the best duelists if not best according to some)
maybe lev wasnt, but they were still a REALLY close to super team on paper
Derke then MaKo and Chronicle would be there if not for 2022
combination of factors:
geng
g2
sen
rrq
fnc
xlg
prx
tl (even if they dont get to playoffs)
blg
wol
th
mibr
you have got me to reply again
There are plat chat documentaries before reykjavik 2022 where LOUD was being discussed as a superteam. Please stfu
anyone would accept aspas (even the current super teams like FNC and VIT - giga money)
You should not call derke a super team duelist when aspas was on superteams for 3/3.5 of his years (and right now he only isnt on one due to HIS choice)
loud 22 wasn't a superteam🤯
wth is bro saying. never replying to delulu man again
was that already not a fact lmao?
superteams have GOAT tier players (Derke, Chron, Leo, Alfa, Boaster)
bro nobody here is debating chronicle and derke. I can switch em around whenever and nobody would question the placement of those 2
ppl dont agree with that cuz everybody is a TenZ fan. yes Alfa was good 2022-2024, but Alfajer looking ass rn
its EMEA and EMEA. does it really matter?
aspas chose the rookies. He had the option to go on a super team didnt he?
also he was on a superteam/good team from 2022-2024
Aspas went to mibr with some bums instead of a super team. Did not choose long term success did he?
why is he not on good teams then? surely aspas would go on super teams wouldnt he?
no, he wants to stick with those bums, so dont use that as an argument u clown. And also he was on a superteam/really good team from 2022-2023 and LEV arguably as well in 2024
bro is just saying whatever fits his argument
9/14 internationals:
N/A
N/A
N/A
2nd
11th-12th copenhagen (0-2)
1st
2nd
7th-8th tokyo (0-2)
3rd
N/A
9th-10th shanghai (1-2)
3rd
N/A
11th-12th toronto (0-2)
"deep runs" yes, but definitely not "consistently great"
yes lol
0.99 rating and like 3rd-4th in the final stats and bro is somehow an mvp becuz of propaganda
the real reason ppl think Aspas is the goat is the one SEN vs LEV game (regional) in 2024 stage 1 or kickoff i think
he has not been very exceptional
it doesnt even make sense though cuz stats-wise and final stats-wise, he wasnt even close
and even the discussions at the time didnt have him in the convo
Derke and Chron also have consistent dominant prowess and for one more year than aspas, more trophies, more international success
v0tality shitters
sayf is on his delusional arc of thinking he is a good igl (bro needs to put the fries in the bag and play duelist/flex duelist&initiator)
my true list (no). my list for upfrags (yes)
but like if u actually think about it, Derke and Chronicle clear in stats and success. Also when I think of Aspas being good, all i remember is the SEN vs LEV game in 2024 and cant remember much else.
I did see that, but I dont remember there being any official MVP announcement back then by anyone and that has ppl like Marved for reykjavik 2022, which makes it VERY UNRELIABLE (since everyone back then and TODAY 100% agree on it being yay). Im pretty sure some editor just put their subjective/what they thought MVPs on there for pre-franchising
Derke has qualified/attended 11/14 VCT international events 2021-2025.
and he has always placed top 8 teams
so he has
Derke 11 international apperances: 2nd, 5th-8th, 4th, 5th-6th, 1st, 1st, 4th, 7th-8th, 5th-6th, 4th
2 trophies
he clears aspas. also better international stats than Aspas
im pretty sure all MVPs before franchising are subjective (not official) with there being some clear ones everyone agrees with.
he was pretty much champs 2022 mvp though unless u wanna say pAncada
and is the 2nd GOAT initiator of all time
also longevity (2021, 2022, 2024)
his 2021 is comparable to nAts 2023
his 2022 is comparable to nAts 2021 (but nAts is decently higher)
his 2024 is comparable to nAts 2022 and 2025 (but Sacy is decently higher)
nah. he would prob be in 21-30 with players like Shao, Suygetsu, Sayf, Marved, pAncada, Stax, etc
well Derke isnt washed though lol. Derke has made 11/14 int tournaments (most from any player and tied with Boaster)
slightly false
if nAts get a deep run in another 1-2 tournaments, then yeah
top 20 all time:
PRX win 2-0. all the TL cope has to be recency bias 100% no cap TL is definitely losing
PRX wins if TL mental is gone. so if PRX wins map 1, TL loses
otherwise if TL wins map 1, TL 2-0, TL 2-1, or PRX 2-1
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