Ya pero es que no es lo mismo, las normas del juego estan puestas ya, y la manera de subir es ascension. Déjame ponerlo de otra manera. Para ti si ganas y NO subes el ascension pierde el sentido, pero lo que yo digo es que para las orgs si no ganas y SI subes entonces ascension también pierde el sentido.

Realistically they are not gonna get Enzo either

An org would pick them up instantly as soon as they make the ascension tournament if they were FA. And if it is a content creator org and doesn't meet the requirements ofc it is the same. What are you supposed to do let an org like DSG in that has no sponsors? What's the guarantee that Disguised Toast is not gonna spot investing in the next 2 years?

It depends, if they do not meet Riot's conditions yes. Look at M8 in EMEA, created 3 days ago and they haven't had problems meeting the conditions

Pues estarían eligiendo a mano que organización sube, lo cual es injusto para todas las demás orgs que han estado compitiendo. Imaginate que ahora entra OPTC con el roster the Guard. Que van a pensar G2, TSM y las demás orgs?

The Guard has serial financial problems. They fired all the org staff mid season because they couldn't pay for it. You can't let an org with no money in. Literally at the same time you get the report that Xset still owes money. The problem is not not letting the Guard in is what happens with the players

If I could choose I would go for #5, but a viable version of it, get as many of those players as you can but nats Redgar and Cloud are gonna be hard. Like a budget Russian superteam. Trexx Sheydos Kr1stal Jemkin Vokashu

I meant LOL

Para mi cualquiera de las 3 acaba con todas las orgs de tier 2 queriéndote matar y saliendo del juego porque te saltas las normas

Or like the biggest esport in the world?

See why you can't let in orgs in financial struggle

#21

Yes but you didn't have orgs competing for ascension the year franchised was announced. That time you set the rules. This time you're completely ignoring your rules and bypassing someone through the whole thing. If I'm Faze I'm really pissed if they do that, you lied to me in the first place. maybe is enough to pull out and maybe not, but it's a risk you can't deny that

Yes but that's exactly what I'm asking. How do you well-fix this situation, that's the matter here

I think if you do #2 then you would also face a massive backlash and all the orgs that are not handpicked wouldn't invest anymore either. Why would you invest if another org that has not invested all year could take the slot instead?

But again, there are many orgs that do meet the criteria unlike the guard, if you handpick one over the rest all the others could be leaving. They have tried to ascend all year and now you give that slot to a random team for no reason

Alright then, TSM or G2? Handpicking one of the 2 is still very shitty for the other one and for everyone else who does meet the criteria

That is scenario #2. So for example we ask OPTC and they say yes, how is that fair with all orgs that have been trying to ascend this year

Is not about M80, you can't hand pick an org that is not in challengers because how is that fair with all the orgs that have been competing this year? And it is really awkward if you do it with an org that has been there, and still unfair

You would have complained just as much if they kicked them mid season

Alright this is awful for the players and I wanna see them franchised too. We are all blaming Riot, but I am yet to hear a better alternative than what they have done.

The Guard fired all their staff and does not have money at all, letting them in is a risk too big, players could not be paid or have scandals like that. People say then they shouldn't have let the guard in in the first place but there was literally an open qualifier, plus The Guard had their financial struggle mid year so what were they supposed to do kick them mid season?

Alright so we are put in this situation, now what do we do, we have 3 options imo.

1. We let M80 in, which ig is an option but how does that beenfit the Guard players? And most importantly, why is it more fair than announcing 2 teams will ascend next year to compensate and all teams can plan accordingly. M80 didn't ascend, is not fair.

2. We give the Guard players another org, but how? We let the players choose? Then it becomes a massive auction to see who pays more, which can lead to massive issues again, inflated salaries, or orgs pulling out and just waiting for opportunities like this one. The other option is riot chooses the org, in which case how is that fair with M80 and the rest of the orgs competing in VCL?

3. We could also let the players compete FA and Riot pay them, but that wouldn't really make sense because at some point you still have to go through scenario number 2 at some point.

Those are the options I have been reading the most and none make sense to me. Before criticizing Riot let's think first, what is a viable solution that makes the most sense. Please be reasonable

Then who's taking the guard players. You can either let the players pick, aka an auction because the players will choose who ever pays the most. Or you can hand pick an org and help them reach an agreement, but then how is that fair for M80 for example? They don't get in and some random org that wasn't even there does

Riot didn't fuck up, The Guard did, what was Riot supposed to do kick them out mid split when they stopped investing and fired their staff? They could pay them but until when? You're going back to the first scenario at some point, it can't be forever

Ik it sounds shitty and I also wanna see the players franchised but I am yet to hear someone proposing a better alternative

If Jett wasn't nerfed 100%, but now he has to learn new agents fast enough to surprise some teams in tryouts. he is in a rush to perform on other agents since market is rn

#15

Exactly you don't buy the slot, so Riot has even more right to choose if you're in or not. I think if they didn't let them in is because the problem was very serious.

So you're suggesting 2 options,
1 Let the roster be picked up by another team. Alright but then you're selling a slot and having a massive auction to see who picked them up which can lead to several big issues again, inflated salaries, or even orgs not entering the game and waiting for opportunities like this

2 Riot pay the players, alright but how is that competitively fair? The organizer can't own a team if you know what I mean

M8 was created 3 fucking days ago and they meet riot's conditions, if the Guard doesn't that means they are in a really really bad situation. letting them in is when you later get the scandal of players not being paid and asking why Riot didn't do something

#9. The Guard had their financial struggles mid year. What are you supposed to do kick the org in the middle of the year? that would have been just as bad

Nope, this is the same as when you buy a slot into any franchised league. The NBA for example, when you buy a team the league has to accept you in. Same in LEC or LCS. Also The Guard started to crumble economically mid split. If they ejected them mid split it would have been worse

If someone better us found in the tryouts that start tomorrow starxo can still be out

No, I think the doubt in their minds was that the guars wasn't gonna pay them long term. Do you think not meeting the criteria doesn't mean something?

This is just how it goes, be honest, if they gave the slot to M80 there would be the exact same amount of hate but saying they stole the Guars spot and saying it's rigged

I think he was part of the problem, not all of it, team could have worked with him and other pieces. But he is the leader of the project so therefore has to be hold accountable, he'll be back

I'm really high on Jemkin and Kristal, Jemkin as duelist is not doing the same something did, but very very similar. I have watched most of their games and he is pretty similar imo, really really good. Kristal is an IGL with an amazing firepower and flexibility, but obviously I haven't heard the comms

If Redgar ends up FA ofc but I wouldn't be sure. Yaboilewis is a tier 2 option that is fine but there are others, nothing too exciting imo

Top 4 teams have the top 4 IGL's so adding him would benefit them less than it would to the lower teams for that reason

That would be a very solid move but I seriously doubt it. Also atp I'm just going full Russian, get Jemkin or Bisk for the duelist and look for Russian talent there is more than enough, or even Kristal as IGL if you can't get Redgar

Same, he is the only good option as of now

Holy fuck

All rebuilding teams, aka, TH, KC, VIT, KOI

Would be amazing but the chance is low xD

It doesn't work anymore, wouldn't make sense. Gotta move on, they might succeed individually.
Do gotta say Kiles is already resigned with Case for this year, zeek is not getting picked up in tier 1, and Bonecold and cned are gonna have hard times finding good projects

No, tryouts start tomorrow. I'm saying that that is precisely not what they want, they need to avoid it as it's been proven it doesn't work anymore. So Bonecold and cNed are probably not their options

It's not a matter of he not fitting in, it's because both French teams are going all in for him and offering a lot of money, and the feeling is that he will take that route. That is what Lembo also said on stream

Def not rebuilding the old Acend, doubt that is the move, it already failed

You're right about Enzo, not likely
I do not like Bonecold at all, been kicked of a lot of teams, last year in vitality Baddyg was Igling and this year it was Destrian a lot, he is always the first piece to go for a reason. Plus not really a big upgrade

About cNed, I would take long long tryouts on him, currently he is not a better sentinel than Wolfen, it's not the right move imo, he would have to impress a lot in tryouts

Yeah but a good IGL like who, Enzo apparently is not an option

Yup I'm also worried as I think Enzo is not gonna be possible and I don't want Bonecold under any circumstance. I really can't think of anyone, and in a certain way that might explain the starxo part as we know he does great mid rounding so they might wanna keep him in case they can't find a pure IGL

I'll take FNS xD

As of now Wolfen is a better sentinel than cned

Have you heard about the Jett nerf?

Karmine is going international and Keloqz is going to tier 2