Havoc was vod reviewing eu players which is why he played so bad

Now that Furia's coach put an end to it, he will be in form

yea but yay is much more replacable than fns is

a lot of emerging players have insane aim but saadhak is the only americas igl at the same lvl

fenis can find a new yay but it will be much harder for yay to find another fenis

Wait. Why aren't u counting yay then?

He was good in both the 2021 & 2022 seasons.
2021 - Envy literally made it to the grand finals of Berlin where they lost to Gambit. Yay was also the highest rated player at the event.
2022 - Optic, 2 finals, 1 trophy, self-explanatory

Ethan. Chronicle is better fragging-wise but not when it comes to setting up his team

It's not his fault. He has been classically conditioned to perform well for foot rubs from FNS

No foot rubs = No incentive to perform

He was once considered the best in the world. After the chamber meta ended, he fell off hard

It happens to all the players who were "once good". Same thing happened with tenz too though he seems to be doing good now

y0y

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As an eu fan, I disagree. Games like SEN vs LOUD have showed us how talented the Americas are. Meanwhile, FNC will just breeze through our league like usual bc the rest of our teams all belong in tier 2

SEN 2-1

FURIA 2-0

Quit acting like ur taking the highground.

U've been hating on NA since day 1. Ur just like us but unfunny abt it at the same time

0/8

that would be fnc's record if they played in the americas league

listen, i understand that our region is pathetic rn but it's ok

as eu fans, we gotta calm down

hopefully players like aspas & demon1 will retire within the next decade so we can finally accomplish smtng

aspas & alfajer r reasonable replacements. Then u tried to sneak in d0rke, s0mething, nats, and s0ygetsu 😭😭😭

If Boostio is in form & SEN actually end up losing, im done. at that point, the org is just cursed

Champs - The final tourney of the yr where teams unveil all their strats

R we forgetting that Boaster & Crew faced LOUD twice at this event & got put down both times?

I also like EU but I need to stay realistic

Best IGL

Saadhak

Best Dualist

Demon1

Best Sentinel

Less

Best Recon initiator

I'll give u this one

Best support player

Ethan sets up his team way better

(1) - From what I saw from pros who were discussing igls on their streams, about 75% said fns, 15% said saadhak, and the remaining 10% split between shaz & steel were mostly vlr users. Idk abt the SA scene though. They were prolly like 80-20 for Saadhak & Fns
(4) - I can agree that it's servicable but he is doing significantly better on sova so there has to be some issue. The best sova comment caught me off guard which is why we went off topic. Crashies was better last yr but I'd say sacy is still top 3 though
(10) - 100T was expected to be 2nd worst NA team after EG. I think SEN should be that barrier & not LEV

(1) - I think ur confusing the yrs. Shaz, Steel & FNS were competing for that spot in 21. Steel had been dropped from 100T in 21 & played tier 2 for the entity of 22. In 22, NA was relatively unanimous abt Fenis
(4) - True but if ur looking at it like that, Crashies would be the best. Sacy had the edge in 22 but in 23, Crashies played many more games internationally. Sacy only played 1 where they lost to FNC. In addition, Crashies was tied with nzr for the best iniator stats in the Americas league as seen here: https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1189/champions-tour-2023-americas-league
At Tokyo, he was the 3rd highest rated sova after rb & c0m.
When NRG & SEN faced, Crashies performed well on sova. Meanwhile, Zekken was the one on sova and not sacy as seen here: https://www.vlr.gg/183781/nrg-esports-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w2
(7) - I will check them out for sure
(10) - I agree maps win games but if ur 1 round away from losing to 100T, there is no way they can be placed in the loud/nrg tier as of now

Mn0M0l0M0l0T0by0

Yea. Governor was actually pretty good that game

(1) By the end of 22, it was maybe 90% for FNS & 10% for Shaz from NA. The percent that said Shaz were just clutching at straws from 21. Idk who the 3rd one ur talking abt is though
(4) If it was the beginning of 23, I would possibly agree. However, I think Sacy & even Crashies both took a backseat to players like Leo, C0m, and Cauanzin this yr.
(7) I didn't watch the BR scene back then so imma just agree with u.
(10) This I disagree with. They won 2 close maps against 100T but got stomped 13-3 on split. I don't think that can be excused to "playing down to their competition"

With Leaf & Trent, G2 has the biggest upset potential against the top teams. If they lose to KRU & EG, I will personally disband them

(1) - I feel like it was split tbh. I think most SA fans considered it to be Saadhak but outside of SA, ppl were calling FNS the best. Either way, it doesn't matter bc Saadhak holds the title now.
(4) I think calling him the #1 sova in the world since hiko retired is a stretch. He was one of the best in 2022 but in 23, his stocks definitely fell.
(7) - I can't rlly debate this one bc I nvr watched Gamelanders Blue. I only started watching him when he was on Vivo Keyd
(10) - Loud & NRG I agree. But if 1 round had gone differently, LEV would have lost to 100T. They are also in the 2nd tier imo

i was just reserving a slot

My rebuttals to ur rebuttals:

(1) - Master's 1 2022 was literally when Optic won Iceland. It was abt 70-30 in favor of FNS until 2023 where LOUD performed much better than NRG
(4) - His all time rating with sova is 1.28. On skye, his all time rating is only 0.96. Clearly, there is a big gap
(7) - I disagree bc he was good but he wasn't solo-carrying Furia last season. Dgzin was good & Khalil had some solid performances
(10) - When I said top teams, I was referring to the group of LOUD, NRG, SEN, LEV. Those were the 4 big teams who ppl expected to take it all. LEV looked a lil shaky ngl but Imma give them time

As an eu fan, I disagree. U r a fan of the reigning world champions. U have LOUD, NRG, SEN & LEV. Meanwhile, we r literally a 0.6 team region 😭

1. Saadhak is currently the best igl in the world
2. Speaking of igls, JohnQT is 10x better than D0phh
3. Yay cannot play skye
4. Sacy cannot play skye
5. C9 has a lot of loose ends
6. Boostio is solid. He's been underrated as an igl bc of Demon1 & Potter
7. Mwzera needs some help
8. Qck isn't a fraud. Aspas is still better though
9. DFM might actually win a game this year
10. The top teams look like the ones that were predicted unless either G2 or KRU becomes a dark horse

C0m was literally 2nd frag after Aspas. Kingg is igl so ig it's ok but why aren't u blaming Mazino or Tex?

He top fragged last map. Without him, they would've lost to 100T

No Help!

Boostio is literally 1v5ing bro. Cryo is doing decent too but I think all 4 still need to be dropped

LOL

Matias was insane today (U guys prolly know him as Saadhak though)

This thread just pissed me off

Hi fenis 🧠 here, thx for ur support :)

This is the real reason why Sacy didn't perform

tenz does not need to be dropped. that game was not on him

My prediction is them dropping Sacy & Putting Pancada on Skye

Thanks

yea john here is the win factor. not just bc of his 4ks but his calling

sen was arguably the team with the most firepower last yr but 0 results bc they failed in terms of strats

hey gustavo, long time no see 👋

I will prolly fall asleep but I will try

Can we all just agree that nrg & furia will qual from this group?

I'm actually bored out of my mind ngl. Good thing SEN vs LOUD is tmr

Ppl gonna hate to hate. Last yr, many of my fellow eu fans were saying that he wasn't good enough to be this toxic

After champs, they all tried to claim him bc of his Russian heritage

TenZ, ppl r gonna hate on him but his yoru is actually rlly good

yea pretty much. I apologize for my fellow EU fan being braindead & trying to incite drama

As an eu fan, I agree